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kls85
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In this age where everything is digital, people expect to see images with CG like quality. It's nice for once to go "back in time" with those retro shots and remember how photography originated.
The world is your canvas, just let it shoot and eventually you'll find you unique signature. 
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SinStar87
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Well you have an eye for landscapes, or live somewhere beautiful(or close enough to somewhere beautiful to visit). I think 7 would have been better if you move the pic up and got more ocean and oceanspray. I'd cut 11 and 12 from the group.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| kls85 wrote: | | It's nice for once to go "back in time" with those retro shots |
Sadly, it also makes for a good shortcut.
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gaming04
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| Arktri wrote: |
1. It does matter where art comes from.
2. You said that you liked it until you found out it was filtered and now you are QQing that sorrow mentioned them?
3. Up2 gave some legitimate advice and now you are bitching about him
4. The flame war did not stop there.
Also, from what I have seen of sorrows and especially Up2's art, they can give much better advice than you ever could.
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It's sad that people don't think deep enough before passing their opinions.
[gaming04], [Sorrow], [Up2Admin]
One of us is too strict with filters. Probably just wants to vent some anger, according to the massive use of the word: Shit.
One of us don't give a damn about photography.
One of us is the only one with experience in good photography.
Place the names of us three in these spots and you may win this flamewar, Arktri.
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I wanted this to stop, but looks like the ties you hold with them have blinded you.
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1. It does matter where art comes from.
2. You said that you liked it until you found out it was filtered and now you are QQing that sorrow mentioned them?
3. Up2 gave some legitimate advice and now you are bitching about him
4. The flame war did not stop there.
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My answers:
1. No. Are you even an artist? Art is everywhere.
2. Other than calling me a retard and questioning my common sense in an aggressive manner, what else did he mention? I gave him my honest--heart felt--response. You don't mess with another critic when you are just another critic. It's called Respecting Your Peers.
3. Up2admin, dared to criticize my criticism, and so I did the same, in return. Does that offend you? And from what he have shared, he knows nothing about photography--only general knowledge of what photographers do. He should not even be making a claim, at all.
Come now, what would YOU know about photography that could allow you to criticize my compliment towards OP's work? You said you don't think Photography is an art form at all. Are all critics here just inexperienced amateurs looking to tear down people's work?
Prove me wrong: Good photography does not need to be edited.
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This is what true photography criticism is:
| SinStar87 wrote: | | Well you have an eye for landscapes, or live somewhere beautiful(or close enough to somewhere beautiful to visit). I think 7 would have been better if you move the pic up and got more ocean and oceanspray. I'd cut 11 and 12 from the group. |
Not something idiotic like this. :
| Sorrow wrote: | | All I see is some random photos with a dumb color filter applied. These photos have no meaning, and don't leave me with any feeling, or anything. Stop applying those shit filters and shit borders and go take a real picture. |
How is this constructive criticism, exactly?
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If you really wish for this flame war to go on, do your best. I can tell you are inexperienced in Photography.
By the way, please do read this article that I have shared with Sorrow: http://catholicpsychology.blogspot.com/2006/08/why-do-people-criticize-part-one.html
It explains why people tear down those better than they are.
And in this case, why people who can't do photography is here tearing down a photographer.
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I would like to extend on my criticism because other critics are having trouble seeing things from my perspective--makes you think if they even see things from yours, OP.
| gaming04 wrote: | You applied filters? Honestly, I thought they were pretty good until I read what others are saying about the filters. It's bad photography when you have to Photoshop the end result.
Your photos are good to hang on the wall for decorations, only. Work of art? Not quite. |
On the first time I look at your pictures I did fall in love with them, honestly. I notice the borders--not the filters, Sorrow was complaining about--but that is part of your intention--I don't understand why Sorrow is disgusted at your methods, either. Then, I went and read up on what others are seeing in your pictures--most significant one was the rantings of Sorrow about your filters; which made me realize there were filters involved.
Does the problem of there being filters make your Art suck? Absolutely not. In my definition of Art: Art is the captured perspective of an individual's impression on a matter--of any importance.
I just found the unnatural discoloring of your photos to go past that definition. However, everything do have its place in this world. One critic's words should not be taken as absolute.
I would love to see your photos in their natural colors.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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I will admit that I don't respect Photography as much as a lot of other forms of art. I don't even consider common photography art. If anything, I'd call it a sport. Anyone can go and buy a super expensive camera and take pretty pictures. Sure it takes timing and a decent amount of skill to some extent, but does it use imagination? Does it have any noticeable variation in style? Probably not. And the skill of a photographer is nothing compared to the skill of a good painter or someone who's good at drawing. I respect Photography as much as Modern Art. Both seem like kind of a joke. And it does make me mad that those "artists" tend to make more money than the artists that actually have talent.
Moving on.
I honestly don't care how much "skill" it took to press that button or apply those effects... if a photo looks good then I'd consider it a good photo.
Do the photos look good to you? Yes. And you shouldn't try to change your mind because you don't like that he edited the photos in Photoshop. If it looks good to you, then consider it good. A good critic disregards the opinions of the other critics and expresses his own.
Sorrow gave his opinion. He doesn't like the filters. That's fine.
But he didn't change his opinion after he stated it.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| Up2Admin wrote: | Sorrow gave his opinion. He doesn't like the filters. That's fine.
But he didn't change his opinion after he stated it. |
Yes, but I don't quite understand why he threw a fit at me for agreeing with him.
| Sorrow wrote: | | Are you fucking retarded? You think that's how natural photos look? I seriously hope you're just posting to try to seem smart. |
You may be right about me changing my opinion just because another critic have said otherwise. Now, that makes me wonder if Sorrow really did mean to insult OP's work. I agreed with Sorrow about the filters, yet he got angry at me and challenged my intelligence. Whatever he wanted, it seemed he did not agree to his own criticism and is taking it out on me.
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Up2Admin, if money was not a problem in life, would you have think this?
| Up2Admin wrote: | | ...And it does make me mad that those "artists" tend to make more money than the artists that actually have talent. |
For an artist, capturing an expression at its fullest is the main objective. Whether it comes from nature, or the tools we learn to use like paintbrushes and computer programs. Each artist have their own methods to find that ultimate expression they are hunting for. Some artists, like you, like to express the creativity of your mind and draw your own reality. Should we call your kind, true artists? Perhaps, but that would make the rest poor losers who only mimic the art your kind shared, won't it?
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In photography, the right angle, the right lighting, the right point of interest, the right dimensions, the right colors will make the right picture. Ultimate goal in photography is to take the picture that will "stay alive" for centuries. Those you see edited in magazines are nothing more than mere public appeal. But this is all photography, not drawn art.
Two worlds. Two concepts. Two societies. Why do you mix it?
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| Up2Admin wrote: | | If it looks good to you, then consider it good. A good critic disregards the opinions of the other critics and expresses his own. |
I will remember this, thank you. Words from a true artist.
...except for the part where your whole gang is trying to push your disagreement onto me. What is up with that? You went against your own teachings.
I am still solid on my stance as to what makes a good photo. Did I change my mind over what Sorrow said? No, but over what he revealed. And my mind is only changed on what I would have told OP.
My criticism: Good photography does not require editing; still stands.
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| Up2Admin wrote: | Sorrow gave his opinion. He doesn't like the filters. That's fine.
But he didn't change his opinion after he stated it. |
I know what you are getting at, and I respect you for defending Sorrow--even if I am the real victim here. Give him my best regards. Apparently he did not take my disagreement with him well and have been hounding me throughout CEF. The disagreement: http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?p=5272942&sid=b44abbac73136b5907da47ac443823cf
I intended no aggression, but it looks like he saw war. Let's end this where it is now, a debate over something as unreasonable as a criticism is beyond the attention of any brilliant minds.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| i think they're shit
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:45 am Post subject: |
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I really like them regardless if they're edited or not. I don't see anything wrong with the quality of the photos either.
I think these people are just nitpicking on your photographs in order to seem smart.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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I love how half this thread isn't even relevant to the original poster's intention.
Take your retarded arguing somewhere else.
But yeah, get a better camera and it'll look loads better.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Guys , Thanks for all the useful reviews I was away so I was unable to check the thread. But I have read all your comments And I really appreciate every single opinion. <3
Keep in mind that this is my very first attempt at Photography and I still lack alot of Experience that's why I used these effects.
Anyway , I have uploaded the original pictures if you would like to see them : http://www.flickr.com/photos/66661410@N03/sets/72157627575561530/
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:47 am Post subject: |
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| namles_hacker wrote: | Guys , Thanks for all the useful reviews I was away so I was unable to check the thread. But I have read all your comments And I really appreciate every single opinion. <3
Keep in mind that this is my very first attempt at Photography and I still lack alot of Experience that's why I used these effects.
Anyway , I have uploaded the original pictures if you would like to see them : http://www.flickr.com/photos/66661410@N03/sets/72157627575561530/ |
These look so much better.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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namles_hacker,
Thanks for sharing the originals.
I have only one criticism for you: More passion.
I will be avoiding further discussions in the Art thread because of how much I dislike the community in there. I hope you consider my advice because good photography is harder than any drawn art--it is only hated for the fact that any newbie can begin by using a camera.
Good luck, namles_hacker.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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This one, i like. The composition is appealing, a landscape shot in portrait can be good and here i think you got it right.
how about trying some Landscape shots in Landscape?
Also the Quality on an iPhone 4 is fine for anything on the internet, however there is a growing trend in camera phone photography competitions, the automatic nature of the iPhone removes almost all the pre-edit technical skill
Try and find your self a nice SLR if your serious, i personally think Film produces some amazing shots.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:56 am Post subject: |
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| gaming04 wrote: | I hope you consider my advice because good photography is harder than any drawn art--it is only hated for the fact that any newbie can begin by using a camera.
Good luck, namles_hacker. |
Bullshit, everyone can click a button.
And making a good drawing is waaaayyy harder.
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| To0k wrote: | | gaming04 wrote: | I hope you consider my advice because good photography is harder than any drawn art--it is only hated for the fact that any newbie can begin by using a camera.
Good luck, namles_hacker. |
Bullshit, everyone can click a button.
And making a good drawing is waaaayyy harder. |
I fully agree with this.
And for the picture Missi0n just posted, that just looks like a holiday photo.
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