Cheat Engine

Stonehenge · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: Where to learn Assembly

Does anyone know of any good places to start learning Assembly?
And how do I know what version is good for my/most processors? Windows XP, that is.

nog_lorp · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject:

MASM, NASM, GCC (using GAS) are the mainly used assemblers as far as I know.

As for how to learn it, I think I'd recommend getting a book. Online resources are all either aimed towards being a reference to someone who is already experienced or are aimed towards cracking, which means knowing how to reverse engineer and understand certain opcodes but not actually program.

pkedpker · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject:

best way to learn something as complicated as assembly is to watch videos of assembly used to crack programs.. I mean if u want to write assembly programs then get what nog_lorp said but if u want to use assembly for hackings then watching the videos is good enough..

http://www.google.com/search?q=lena151+torrent&btnG=Search
download any of those torrent links about lena151's tutorials

cracking real programs
http://www.mininova.org/tor/1843151

BirdsEye · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject:

I'd prefer FASM32. It can utilize Win32 API and if you learn it well enough, it would be a more efficient and faster alternative to C++.(There is a real big noticable difference in the size of executables between FASM and IDEs.)

Slugsnack · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject:

iczelion's tutorials + art of assembly. probably gonna get flamed by some idiots for saying this, but i'd advise masm32. i think it's safe to say it's got the most documentation + active forums out of all the assemblers.

nog_lorp · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject:

I think NASM is probably better because it is still being developed, and is widely used outside of Windows, but it uses ATT syntax so MASM is probably better for a Windows user.

hcavolsdsadgadsg · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject:

Slugsnack · Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:16 am Post subject:

yeah that's true, i forgot to mention masm32 can pretty much only be used on windows. mind you, once you learn the 'syntax'/opcodes it's not TOO hard to switch assemblers.

BirdsEye · Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject:

sponge · Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject:

C runtime library

BirdsEye · Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject:

pkedpker · Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject:

yah i guess it means C runtime library.

I always thought it ment Common Runtime Library..

but whatever lol yes if you change the linker's arguments to change entry point from CrtMainStartup to main aka main(). Your exe file will drop by 13 KB.. and will load faster as well..

Now you see it's CRTMainStartup

the CRT means (C RunTime)

BUT .. it was calling CRTMainStartup for a reason.. and thats for the use of the keyword static if you never use the keyword static in your programs you should change it to main() it will be much better otherwise if you use static don't change it.. it might cause problems

in microsoft VC++ you could use this simple line to change entrypoint

hcavolsdsadgadsg · Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject:

The easiest way is to make your own entry point, the linker is going to expect either mainCRTStartup or WinMainCRTStartup, so just use that.

Then you can carefully merge your sections if you're feeling really spunky.

One of my projects ends up as a meager 1.5kb as a bare window.

Slugsnack · Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject:

or you could cheat and have it dynamically link it :p

nog_lorp · Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject:

pked, you are thinking of the CLR - Microsoft's Common Language Runtime which implements the .NET VM.