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AylinCE Grandmaster Cheater Supreme Reputation: 32
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:58 am Post subject: Is there food in heaven? |
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The child turned to his mother and asked the following question hopefully:
Is there food in heaven, mom?
His mother could not answer. And the boy added:
If there is, let's die immediately. Maybe we'll be full. ...
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teeigeryuh Master Cheater Reputation: 23
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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so what is the moral of the story here?
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AylinCE Grandmaster Cheater Supreme Reputation: 32
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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teeigeryuh wrote: | so what is the moral of the story here? |
It is whatever you want to get out of it.
According to some, "Children are in the test".
According to some, "Heaven's test to Earth".
According to some, "Parents' test with helplessness".
According to some, "God's cruelty under the name of 'Test'".
To some, "It's not religious, it's just injustice."
According to some... (You are one of those people.) What do you think?
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Csimbi I post too much Reputation: 94
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, dying immediately means suicide.
And as you may well know, those who commit suicide can't go to heaven.
The mother should educate her child.
Coming to think of that, the mother should educate herself, too.
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AylinCE Grandmaster Cheater Supreme Reputation: 32
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Csimbi wrote: | .. And as you may well know, those who commit suicide can't go to heaven.. |
I'm not saying this to encourage;
In fact, I think the disconnection of "Suicide and Heaven" is a misconception.
I think this is a fabrication of those who just want the continuation of the "Theater" called "Life".
Ah! Things to say and ideas on this subject would be very long.
I just think that "Free Will" is subject to people and they have the freedom to make critical decisions about their own life, unless they have bad intentions.
Of course, don't die, live longer and better.
Sometimes it is necessary to advise being a "Free" person instead of being a "Strong" person.
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Csimbi I post too much Reputation: 94
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Taking one's own life is not just weakness, it's plain stupid.
You basically give up and throw away any and all chances to change things.
If being free to you means being dead, well, I feel sorry for you.
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AylinCE Grandmaster Cheater Supreme Reputation: 32
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:18 am Post subject: |
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You misunderstood me.
"Choosing to die" is not being free, it is choosing to think freely.
So, as you mentioned and if we want to add, hundreds of "Cliche", "Reason", "Consolation", (Religious or personal) "Pattern" and whatever you call it.
These are all headings of condemnation, that is, "patterns of social oppression" that restrict free thinking.
Without being stuck or condemned to these patterns (Of course, I speak without disturbing the moral order and only for personal results.), living or wanting to die or dying is freedom.
Because as long as a pattern, order or pressure always enters into human life, "Free will" remains only in philosophy.
What is meant is not "one who wants to die" or "one who gives up".
It means living freely and dying with "free will", without being condemned to hundreds of moral or philosophical patterns we know.
Also, I'm sorry if I upset you.
If I don't come across a bullet that a murderer will fire with his own free will, I want to live a little longer.
I promise I won't commit suicide.
Also, when did this topic come back to me? Strange.
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Csimbi I post too much Reputation: 94
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, that I agree with.
We are all shaped by our families, culture, education, life experiences and so on.
Absolutely.
But I still think it's bullshit that you can't think freely.
There is nobody else in your head but you.
No control whatsoever.
If I wanted to, I'll think about pink elephants raining from the sky. Even if I grew up as christian, a jew, a muslim, rich or poor, being nobody or a big boss.
Every human being has the power of free thinking, and noone can take that away from you.
They can chew you up, spit you out, lock you up, but no matter what they do, your thoughts are your own and nobody can take that away from you.
Nobody.
However, you can choose to follow the dogmas planted in your mind and give up free thinking - but that's your choice, which, again, proves that your are free to choose to think like an idiot, if you wanted to.
The child, in your example had no concept of the value of life, so he was free to think throwing it away for food is a good idea. He is free to think that. A normal, healthy adult will always value human life - especially his own - above all else. Not because the adult was thought that or imprinted with it, but because he collected enough knowledge and experience to draw better conclusions.
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AylinCE Grandmaster Cheater Supreme Reputation: 32
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Ah. We speak the same language now.
And you summarized it better than me.
And the topic went beyond the title.
To relate it to the title;
Children are the ones who deserve all these freedoms and freedoms the most.
Young people sacrifice some of themselves.
Adults are thinking about the end of the road.
Old people only look back and console themselves.
And the poet said;
"Children are sacred. They don't know anything unless you guide them.
More sacred than children are babies.
Because they are still a little angel."
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