Cheat Engine

HotHeap · Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:26 pm Post subject:

Gannok shrooms is right, you are a fucking moron

This is made in java, a garbage language & slow as fuck.

Ida is made in C super fast.

This is garbage and IDA PRO is better.

You know nothing.

Also you are going against what researchers said, LMFAO

You cant even pass cisco and yet you think you can now code?

ROFLCOPTER

Ima stick with IDA QUEEN PRO.

Channel GannoK · pffrt Reputation: 129 Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 601

# of java programmers is around 10 million, and C++ is 1-1.5 depending where you look.

This makes java the more supported developer base anyways, its probably going to be ported to mobile I imagine eventually.

You can say I know nothing but that claim doesnt mean anything, because youre sperging and practically fanboying over IDA like a script kiddy.

I'm not saying I'm the best programmer or hacker, because I know I'm not, far from it, but youre a dunce and you pick a side and fight when there isn't one to be had lol. Poor troll.

Also brolock, you're playing the complete skeptic and you missed my point of having an offline secure system, if you can't figure out how to keep a system hidden and secure then thats on you. The airgap only applies if you fail to have a system so incabaple of being moved in the first place, whether that's through physical cases or mounting into a wall or something, having security devices built into the chassis, having data wiping devices when the power and data lines to your hard drive are cut off, or completely disabling/removing ports.

There are lots of options. You have to be creative to be able to figure it out well.

When I mean highly encrypted, I do mean bit size and the different various encryption methods, there are more than I know of, which is why this tool ghidra can help not just me understand the patterns. If you have a machine learning algorithm, running a combination of these recompiling tools, it would pick up at least a good idea of what the complexity of whole binaries from multiple developers and recognize certain aspects of the source code I imagine, if it attempted to develop its own version of the code using the decompiler binaries given and comparing it to decompiled binaries the ML script is writting in real time. This is the direction I see this going, it may not be able to get an exact 1for1(example: in C++ to make a new integer you may wanna use int newintforthispost. Well the code bot might come up with int thisinthasashittyname.)

br0l0ck · Cheater Reputation: 63 Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 38

dude it is literally impossible for you to get something like an int variable name from reverse engineering a binary. do you know what compilation is? it turns the source code into target machine code (in c++ case), where there is no things like variable names.

for compilation in the case of a hybrid language like java (not strictly compiled or interpreted) it turns it into java byte code that is optimized for stack based execute. literally all java has is a stack of call frames. heres what java byte code looks like:

// Bytecode stream: 03 3b 84 00 01 1a 05 68 3b a7 ff f9
// Disassembly:
iconst_0 // 03
istore_0 // 3b
iinc 0, 1 // 84 00 01
iload_0 // 1a
iconst_2 // 05
imul // 68
istore_0 // 3b
goto -7 // a7 ff f9

youre not getting anything back from having to 1. decompile into this byte code, and then 2. analyzing this byte code that isnt just the control flow of the program + how the call frames interact.

also, people dont even understand what goes on in the layers of machine learning, how do you expect to reverse engineer it and come up with not only the layers and flow of the algorithm but actually get parts of source code back.

the only thing ill admit you are onto is that: you could use a ML alg and the reverse engineering tools to mimic the input and output of the program. you would do this by just flooding the input and recording the output and having the alg keep track of the results and adjust the weights in the layers based on that. im sure something like this already exists and that it probably isn't necessary to use machine learning specifically for it

HotHeap · Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:19 pm Post subject:

atom0s · Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:45 pm Post subject:

Ghidra is actually not a bad tool at all and offers a lot to the RE community on more than one level.

First and foremost, it is feature rich, and comparable to IDA. It includes all the various basics expected in a modern disassembler and reversing tool. It includes extended features and other goodies not found in IDA as well. They have a comparable decompiler as well which is exciting to see something actually on-par with HexRays come along.

Next, this tool was made in a very small time frame by a small team. Comparing it to IDA is rather stupid in terms of how "good" it is. It has lots of time to mature and catch up to where IDA is. IDA has been around for years, has had lots of public use, testing, feedback and many hands-on things to make it what it is today. It didn't get released being what it is today which a lot of people seem to ignore/forget.

Ghidra also plans to be fully open source in the near future, something IDA can't say at all. This is a huge deal to the RE community because this tool can become better than IDA very quickly with the entire community being able to get hands-on with it.

They just released the initial version publicly. The amount of people using it before-hand was very small due to the nature of the program. Now that it is open to the public, thousands of people have gotten their hands on it and are all agreeing on being excited to see where it goes.

That said, the only downside most have agreed on too is the fact it's written in Java. It is very slow. For small file (malware and similar) analysis it is great, but for large files it is not really viable at this time. But that is where the fact of it becoming open source is exciting, as it is very common to see a tool like this be ported to a different/faster language. I would expect to see this tool rewritten in one of several languages:
- C/C++
- C#
- Python

Mainly due to what the RE scene uses the most language-wise.

The tool is clean of bugs/infections/spying etc. that all the idiot kids want to claim. (I'd assume none of you even know how to use it that are making these claims.) The tool is written in Java, you can fully decompile it if you don't trust it. Tons of people have already been picking it apart to mod it as well as review its code etc. With the plans to be open source in the near future as well, what gain would they have for bugging it?

Anyway, for those interested, it is a great tool with lots of potential. I would suggest checking it out if you haven't already. Just keep IDA on hand for now until things pick up with the community and we start to see more updates for it roll in as it is slow currently.

br0l0ck · Cheater Reputation: 63 Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 38

"clean of bugs/infections/spying etc."

it doesnt need something in the source code in order for the NSA to have a secret agenda for releasing it. youre stupid if you trust the government, especially the NSA.

"With the plans to be open source in the near future as well, what gain would they have for bugging it? "
before asking this, ask what do you they gain for releasing it open source? people claim to hate the NSA so much you really think theyre going to contribute to their opepn source project? you think theyre going to do government contract work for free? if they do they are stupid as fuck and only hurting themselves if they believe that the NSA are actually bad guys.

also you say ghidra is new and not worked on for long: all the sources say that its been used for a long time by the NSA, even 10 years ago I see. How do you know how small their team is? they're the fucking government, they get fuckloads of money im sure they could hire people for such an important application.

the way you wrote your post you sound like you work for the fucking NSA you shill

HotHeap · Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:29 pm Post subject:

br0l0ck · Cheater Reputation: 63 Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 38

lol what the fuck are you literally talking about, i passed that interview and got to move on in the process.
whats your credentials fuccboi, cant even get to the interview process?

HotHeap · Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:16 pm Post subject:

br0l0ck · Cheater Reputation: 63 Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 38

Channel GannoK · pffrt Reputation: 129 Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 601

Ghostmane where are you from my man

atom0s · Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:35 am Post subject:

HotHeap · Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:34 am Post subject:

mdthr · Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:29 am Post subject:

br0l0ck · Cheater Reputation: 63 Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 38

you dont have to defend me, time will show them wrong. I give it less than a year before more info comes out, theres already a bug that allows remote code execution found within days of ghidras public release, despite them claiming that this software was already tested and proven to be clean somehow. saying Im tinfoil hat because I dont trust the NSA is so ridiculous a statement, same people saying to trust this program probably didn't think the NSA was doing any spying until the leaks came out and probably think snowden is a traitor to the USA

and i dont really flex anything i do on here, but i will be graduating with a CS degree in a couple months if you didnt know talix. having a degree doesnt reflect programming skill, but I have done extra work in getting this degree to ensure my skills are better than average so that I can secure a better than average CS job when I graduate