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Channel GannoK
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:34 pm Post subject:

TheIndianGuy wrote:

i was contributing to the actual conversation by asking you a very relevant question. with each post, you continue to make yourself look like a moron. i guess everything must be explained to you. your bosses must love you. i asked if you ever considered creating your own conception of god rather than identifying with atheism or any religion. i than expanded on this by stating the fact that you are brainwashed into believing god and religion are one in the same.

when everyone is telling you that you're a moron you might want to evaluate this claim. i know it's a hard truth to swallow, no one wants to be dumb, but some people simply are. it's not your fault. you were born this way. but to ignore this is a serious issue.

You're a child, so you're basing your argument on this, if I am correct in my analysis

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i asked if you ever considered creating your own conception of god rather than identifying with atheism or any religion.

I will refer to my original claim.

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Agnosticism (Atheism) is the only true way to view the world without having any bias because there is no proof that any single religion is correct, even Atheism. However, Atheism has the best argument of all religions and faith-based beliefs because it does not require the individual to sacrifice their lives to their religion based on non-evidence(faith). Agnosticism also allows you to explore other faiths on the grounds that you don't have to dedicate a single religion or faith to your own life in search for the truth. The moment anyone reveals that they step away from Agnosticism to Gnosticism, they defy the scientific method and have bias.

By creating your own SUBJECTIVE concept of god, you are forgoing Agnosticism into Gnosticism. You now have to prove that God (in this case, your own personal subjective god) is real to the people who abide by the scientific method. The scientific method is all about reproducing evidence and confirming what is real. Agnosticism is the only true approach to finding out what is the truth and what is truthful in it's nature.

To answer your question, yes I have considered this, but it seems futile because there is nothing to be gained other than wasted time propping up a false sense of a higher power.

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:43 pm Post subject:

Gannok is a militant atheist who skews several possible definitions for atheist and agnostic. The actual only logical choice is deism, to avoid bias. Because atheism is plainly biased due to being wrong. (: Kyle's God is science. Which is why he practices scientism. His mind is closed and his capacity to understand others is severely dampened. Also that post up there ^ lol on "Gnosticism" holy shit Kyle you are so fucking ignorant it hurts. Gnosticism is not creating your own god lmfao

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:50 pm Post subject:

TheIndianGuy wrote:

i am not basing my argument on that. i am merely strengthening my statement, expanding on it, making it more clear and concise for you to understand. i said nothing about your original statement other than "have you considered the following..."

i am not dodging anything. i am asking you to open your mind. something you fail to be capable of. i asked you a simple question that was 100% relevant to your original statement. that IS adding to the original conversation.

i am not describing gnosticism. that has nothing to do with what i'm saying. it's like your brain is literally broken dude.

i'm almost at a loss of words with how stubborn, close minded, and moronic you are.

Bro Quran would tell u how hopeless you're being atm. I have literally had textbook responses described to me by Quran that occur irl and I'm baffled as to how a 1400 year old book can offer such an accurate play-by-play on people.

His heart is sealed. Lost cause. Literally tells me I'm delusional. Then goes on to tell me full on that if biblical rapture was going on with tons of blatant physical law violations, he would /still/ be atheist. Literally to the point of /denying reality/. And yet I'm totally the delusional one when I opt to face reality and what it has to offer.

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:51 pm Post subject:

greatsage wrote:

Gannok is a militant atheist who skews several possible definitions for atheist and agnostic. The actual only logical choice is deism, to avoid bias. Because atheism is plainly biased due to being wrong. (:
Kyle's God is science. Which is why he practices scientism. His mind is closed and his capacity to understand others is severely dampened.

Also that post up there ^ lol on "Gnosticism" holy shit Kyle you are so fucking ignorant it hurts. Gnosticism is not creating your own god lmfao

You have still yet to prove that God was involved in the creation of the universe, let alone being non-interjecting in his own creation.

I have never heard of scientism until you mentioned it. I'd have to research it more and get to know the people supporting the idea before attaching myself to any sort of ideology. I am for the pursuit of universal truths and the advancement of knowledge that is verifiable and factual.

Gnosticism is the acceptance and belief that there is a god, higher power, or divine being of any sort in the universe, therefore the opposite of Agnosticism.

@TIG
I answer your question and provided sound reasoning, yet you still consider me closeminded. I don't need to argue why I am not, because you are of the OPINION that I am not. a pointless argument.

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:54 pm Post subject:

Channel GannoK wrote:

greatsage wrote:

Hahahaha oh my god you are still so fucking ignorant yet running your mouth after you've been called out on the fact. I'm a fucking gnostic you moron and you have no idea what the fuck Gnosticism is.

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:56 pm Post subject:

greatsage wrote:

Channel GannoK wrote:

greatsage wrote:

Hahahaha oh my god you are still so fucking ignorant yet running your mouth after you've been called out on the fact. I'm a fucking gnostic you moron and you have no idea what the fuck Gnosticism is.

So you are confirming that you are now arguing from the position that you know for a fact that god is real. Are you not?

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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:00 am Post subject:

Channel GannoK wrote:

greatsage wrote:

there is no universal truths, or knowledge that is verifiable and factual like you want there to be, they cannot exist because we are normal mortal beings. in fact, the only way some things like that could exist is if there was a God, and that would be the only proof of them. welcome to the concept of "faith" kyle

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i dont believe in gods nor science as the only way to perceive or come in to contact with or to be a part of those things is to be human and to be biased from that perspective itself

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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:01 am Post subject:

Channel GannoK wrote:

greatsage wrote:

Channel GannoK wrote:

greatsage wrote:

Hahahaha oh my god you are still so fucking ignorant yet running your mouth after you've been called out on the fact. I'm a fucking gnostic you moron and you have no idea what the fuck Gnosticism is.

So you are confirming that you are now arguing from the position that you know for a fact that god is real. Are you not?

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I'm laughing so fucking hard at you. Gnosticism is a heretical denomination you twat. Read the fucking wiki and get a clue. The broadest it gets otherwise is philosophical. Literally the way you are worshipping fact is a description of Gnosticism because the aim of Gnosticism is acquiring truth and knowledge -- even if that means stammering upon the knowledge of God's existence.

Witnesses too much shit to say I know God is anything but real. Get on my level. The moment you take one step toward Allah, he takes two steps toward you.

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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:08 am Post subject:

Gnosticism is a spiritual religious ideology that predates Christianity

It is *not* the opposite of agnosticism, like most atheists think
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Your username derives from the fact that this site cannot format special characters lol.

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lmfao, on reddit i'd get banned

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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:09 am Post subject:

CleverBot wrote:

Gnosticism is a spiritual religious ideology that predates Christianity

It is *not* the opposite of agnosticism, like most atheists think

Finally someone is fucking educated beyond just Indian

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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:18 am Post subject:

Brolock wrote:

Channel GannoK wrote:

greatsage wrote:

i dont believe in gods nor science as the only way to perceive or come in to contact with or to be a part of those things is to be human and to be biased from that perspective itself

The fact that we are communicating is a universal truth and verifiable using the scientific method (The way of determining what is universally true). How can you HONESTLY say that learning about Chemistry and how atoms and molecules work, isn't part of learning about universal truths? That's just one argument to be made among boundless arguments.

@talix
your argument that gnosticism is not about the confirmation and acceptance of one's belief is wrong. It may have come from old heretical denomination, but that isn't exactly what it means and is today. You told me to go to the wiki page so here is a snippet.

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Gnostic ideas influenced many ancient religions[2] that teach that gnosis (variously interpreted as knowledge, enlightenment, salvation, emancipation or 'oneness with God') may be reached by practicing philanthropy to the point of personal poverty, sexual abstinence (as far as possible for hearers, entirely for initiates) and diligently searching for wisdom by helping others.[3] However, practices varied among those who were Gnostic.

This only confirms that Gnostics are people who are certain in their beliefs and abide as such.

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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:39 am Post subject:

Channel GannoK wrote:

Brolock wrote:

Channel GannoK wrote:

greatsage wrote:

i dont believe in gods nor science as the only way to perceive or come in to contact with or to be a part of those things is to be human and to be biased from that perspective itself

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This only confirms that Gnostics are people who are certain in their beliefs and abide as such.

Ok well alongside your snippet I will show you what the first thing Wikipedia says, which u already know, but it literally still means that today you fucking twat (Gnosticism is extremely popular):
Gnosticism (from Ancient Greek: γνωστικός gnostikos, "having knowledge", from γνῶσις gnōsis, knowledge) is a modern term categorizing a collection of ancient religions whose adherents shunned the material world – which they viewed as created by the demiurge – and embraced the spiritual world.[1]

"This only confirms", no it fucking doesn't. You didn't contradict my point or really even give one of your own. Your quote doesn't substantiate such a conclusion at all. Furthermore, you have a straw man of my argument. Probably because it was yet another thing you kept your mind closed to and did not understand.

In short: Gnosticism is not what you think it means. Signed, an actual gnostic.

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Seriously, belief reliance is fucking antithetical to Gnosticism. You'd see that if you understood even the fundamentals required for understanding these topics and even beginning to discuss them with any degree of certainty.

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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:43 am Post subject:

I taught you the word "antithetical" and now you use it everywhere you go
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Your username derives from the fact that this site cannot format special characters lol.

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lmfao, on reddit i'd get banned

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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:52 am Post subject:

Talix is now just denying what is Gnosticism. The acceptance of what you believe to be factual and truthful. When you finally get around to understanding what this is even about Talix, we can continue this. There is nothing further I can provide that can convince you that your understanding of Gnosticism vs. Agnosticism is wrong other than telling you to take the time to understand that Gnosticism is essentially Certainty and Agnosticism being uncertainty.

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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:59 am Post subject:

Channel GannoK wrote:

Talix is now just denying what is Gnosticism. The acceptance of what you believe to be factual and truthful. When you finally get around to understanding what this is even about Talix, we can continue this. There is nothing further I can provide that can convince you that your understanding of Gnosticism vs. Agnosticism is wrong other than you taking the time to understand that Gnosticism is essentially Certainty and Agnosticism being uncertainty.

It's actually you who has no grasp of any of the words you're using, and you who is denying Gnosticism.

http://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/text/Gnosticism/
http://www.religioustolerance.org/gnostic2.htm
http://www.crossroad.to/charts/gnosticism.html

Seriously fuck off you're already proven to be full of shit.
Agnosticism is certainty of a lack of knowledge. Not even uncertainty.
There is nothing uncertain about agnosticism. You fallacious shit don't even understand agnosticism much less Gnosticism.

http://www.agnostic-library.com/ma/agnosticism-faq/

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