not gonna watch it bc from what ive seen of ken ham he is violent and bigoted and very ignorant, but i do not know much. and no time. a good sufi might have had a better "debate". but actual muslims are encouraged to drop discussions like this, because it doesn't concern us.
not gonna watch it bc from what ive seen of ken ham he is violent and bigoted and very ignorant, but i do not know much. and no time. a good sufi might have had a better "debate". but actual muslims are encouraged to drop discussions like this, because it doesn't concern us.
It's basically just Bill Nye giving logical arguments and debating properly while Ken just gives examples of important people who are creationists and ignoring everything Bill says to him. _________________
not gonna watch it bc from what ive seen of ken ham he is violent and bigoted and very ignorant, but i do not know much. and no time. a good sufi might have had a better "debate". but actual muslims are encouraged to drop discussions like this, because it doesn't concern us.
It's basically just Bill Nye giving logical arguments and debating properly while Ken just gives examples of important people who are creationists and ignoring everything Bill says to him.
that's because people who believe in religion have no value and can't argue worth shit for example, talix _________________
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but sadly this is 1984 and western civilization the last ones standing at the top of titanic before it sinks...no matter what you do, they know
not gonna watch it bc from what ive seen of ken ham he is violent and bigoted and very ignorant, but i do not know much. and no time. a good sufi might have had a better "debate". but actual muslims are encouraged to drop discussions like this, because it doesn't concern us.
It's basically just Bill Nye giving logical arguments and debating properly while Ken just gives examples of important people who are creationists and ignoring everything Bill says to him.
ye ik, i can respect someone who can make logical and decent theocratic arguments. and that "ignoring everything x says" happens pretty often in these types of debates.
quran describes & supports evolution & the big bang.
not gonna watch it bc from what ive seen of ken ham he is violent and bigoted and very ignorant, but i do not know much. and no time. a good sufi might have had a better "debate". but actual muslims are encouraged to drop discussions like this, because it doesn't concern us.
It's basically just Bill Nye giving logical arguments and debating properly while Ken just gives examples of important people who are creationists and ignoring everything Bill says to him.
ye ik, i can respect someone who can make logical and decent theocratic arguments. and that "ignoring everything x says" happens pretty often in these types of debates.
quran describes & supports evolution & the big bang.
Do you have a source for that? I'm no bible scholar but I'm pretty sure the quran has the same beginning as the old testament, with minor differences.
not gonna watch it bc from what ive seen of ken ham he is violent and bigoted and very ignorant, but i do not know much. and no time. a good sufi might have had a better "debate". but actual muslims are encouraged to drop discussions like this, because it doesn't concern us.
It's basically just Bill Nye giving logical arguments and debating properly while Ken just gives examples of important people who are creationists and ignoring everything Bill says to him.
ye ik, i can respect someone who can make logical and decent theocratic arguments. and that "ignoring everything x says" happens pretty often in these types of debates.
quran describes & supports evolution & the big bang.
Do you have a source for that? I'm no bible scholar but I'm pretty sure the quran has the same beginning as the old testament, with minor differences.
i already gave a source earlier for at least one thing, i thought. you can do some googling and reading of your own, i'm not going to spoonfeed you. thank you so much for your genuine question, but no, the opening of the koran is much different:
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الحمد لله رب العالمين
الرحمن الرحيم
مالك يوم الدين
اياك نعبد واياك نستعين
اهدنا الصراط المستقيم
صراط الذين انعمت عليهم غير المغضوب عليهم ولا الضالين
In the name of Allah , the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.
All praise is due to Allah , Lord of all universes - The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
Master of the Day of Judgment, It is You we worship and You we ask for help.
Show us the straight way, the way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.
i'll give you at least one example though, you can find plenty and multiple viewpoints with googling. it's ultimately up to you, though, to some it is completely plain to take.
surat 57 aya 47
And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.
^ says heaven is expanding, same big bang says. says that it's cyclical in another part, that it repeats. this fits with the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch
That's the problem with religion, people interpret everything as something else. How the fuck do you go from "expanding heaven" to "expanding the universe"?
That's the problem with religion, people interpret everything as something else. How the fuck do you go from "expanding heaven" to "expanding the universe"?
Fuck outa here with that shit
This. You take a tiny sentence that uses one fucking word that sort of sounds like what you want it to and you stretch that shit.
That's the problem with religion, people interpret everything as something else. How the fuck do you go from "expanding heaven" to "expanding the universe"?
Fuck outa here with that shit
lolwut?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law
heaven literally means everything in the universe? there is more than just that one lmao you are literally going out of your way to disregard something that clearly goes in line with scientific law
Looks like it doesn't mention heaven once on the page you linked so let's check the definition to follow up.
Hmm, looks like it is not what you said.
Unless you are saying that they meant it in literary terms which effectively is saying that you mean they didn't mean heaven at all, and in fact when they say heaven are not talking religiously in the slightest.
That's the problem with religion, people interpret everything as something else. How the fuck do you go from "expanding heaven" to "expanding the universe"?
Fuck outa here with that shit
lolwut?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law
heaven literally means everything in the universe? there is more than just that one lmao you are literally going out of your way to disregard something that clearly goes in line with scientific law
It doesn't mean that at all... If that were the case then there'd be nothing to look forward to in the afterlife since we're apparently already in heaven. _________________
Looks like it doesn't mention heaven once on the page you linked so let's check the definition to follow up.
Hmm, looks like it is not what you said.
Unless you are saying that they meant it in literary terms which effectively is saying that you mean they didn't mean heaven at all, and in fact when they say heaven are not talking religiously in the slightest.
you have exemplified the ostracisation & cherry picking i have spoken of. thanks for your help.
unfortunately you wouldn't have made yourself seem daft if you had any idea of context. and thank you, once more, for /admitting your ignorance/, by saying /you don't have knowledge because you haven't read/ the quran, a book that actually gives a whole wrap about how "reading exerpts" will lead to misunderstanding and that people (like you) enjoy taking things said out of context because you don't understand them nor are you willing.
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That's the problem with religion, people interpret everything as something else. How the fuck do you go from "expanding heaven" to "expanding the universe"?
Fuck outa here with that shit
lolwut?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law
heaven literally means everything in the universe? there is more than just that one lmao you are literally going out of your way to disregard something that clearly goes in line with scientific law
It doesn't mean that at all... If that were the case then there'd be nothing to look forward to in the afterlife since we're apparently already in heaven.
pls tell me you don't think all words have just one literal meaning... "it doesn't mean that at all" what doesn't mean what? because that is literally what it means, "heaven" literally basically means "everything whatwhich isn't the earth", given the context of the whole scripture it's usually apparent which "heaven" is meant.
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