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| What would you do with 4 mil immigrants? |
| let them be under ISIS / let them die / let them live in the camps |
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paupav
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Those poor Syrians though.  They're more important than our own country's citizens. Those poor strong men.
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10 people from 1.2 million people that entered europe is actually good ratio.
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10 people from 1.2 million people that entered europe is actually good ratio. |
its actually a bit less. One of them was already a french citz and stopping immigration wouldn't have stoped him from ramboing
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Weird, feels like the Gun Control argument only people's positions are vice versaed.
"____'s are bad we shouldn't have any so we are safe."
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"There are risks and evil in life, ____'s aren't to blame."
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| TheIndianGuy wrote: | what would you do...
go to work every morning with th4e chance that you can be killed on the way to work
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stay at home |
both gets boring very quickly
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Kurifodo
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| SinStar87 wrote: | Weird, feels like the Gun Control argument only people's positions are vice versaed.
"____'s are bad we shouldn't have any so we are safe."
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Horrible analogy. In the wake of last night's attacks, 160 and counting are dead, and I can guarantee you if the citizens of Paris had the right to carry firearms, the death toll would be MUCH smaller.
One of the ISIS terrorists are confirmed to be a "Syrian Refugee" who took advantage of Europe's sympathy and killed dozens of innocent civilians. It only takes a small group of terrorists to kill thousands. Even if only .5% of all the refugees are terrorists, that is not a risk you would even want to take at all.
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SinStar87
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| No it's a pretty clean comparison, guns or refugees works well as a sum up of positions in either argument. And .5% is about the odds of dying in a car crash in your life, I get into cars all the time, and we have right to carry here so the odds against the terrorists would be even better. You should ask yourself why is your position here not rational like the one from gun control was?
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| SinStar87 wrote: | | No it's a pretty clean comparison, guns or refugees works well as a sum up of positions in either argument. And .5% is about the odds of dying in a car crash in your life, I get into cars all the time, and we have right to carry here so the odds against the terrorists would be even better. You should ask yourself why is your position here not rational like the one from gun control was? |
bro only like 20 ppl have died from muslim attacks in america since 9/11. The chance of getting killed by a jihadist in the us is lower than wining the lottery.
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| SinStar87 wrote: | | No it's a pretty clean comparison, guns or refugees works well as a sum up of positions in either argument. And .5% is about the odds of dying in a car crash in your life, I get into cars all the time, and we have right to carry here so the odds against the terrorists would be even better. You should ask yourself why is your position here not rational like the one from gun control was? |
The difference is very clear; there are actually pros and cons with the right to carry, meanwhile there is only one pro and all the rest cons for accepting the refugees.
With accepting Syrian refugees, there is only ONE pro to accepting them, and that is that we feel sorry for them and want to help them out. Can you name another "pro" to accepting these people? Most of them are unskilled and uneducated, so they will be impoverished. They will facilitate on welfare heavily for the first few years and bog down the economy, adding to the national debt. Most of them don't speak English, so they will isolate themselves from the rest of America in their mosques and possibly self-radicalize if they don't feel like America has been good to them. Not to mention the refugees have been rioting in the countries that they have entered so far.
Obviously, the biggest con of all is that ISIS militants are hiding amongst the refugees, and are planning to attack once they enter the country. How can anyone filter out the terrorists from the rest? We can't. That's why it is too risky to accept these people.
Seriously, what are the "pros" to accepting these people?
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| Shrooms wrote: | | Clifford wrote: | | SinStar87 wrote: | | No it's a pretty clean comparison, guns or refugees works well as a sum up of positions in either argument. And .5% is about the odds of dying in a car crash in your life, I get into cars all the time, and we have right to carry here so the odds against the terrorists would be even better. You should ask yourself why is your position here not rational like the one from gun control was? |
The difference is very clear; there are actually pros and cons with the right to carry, meanwhile there is only one pro and all the rest cons for accepting the refugees.
With accepting Syrian refugees, there is only ONE pro to accepting them, and that is that we feel sorry for them and want to help them out. Can you name another "pro" to accepting these people? Most of them are unskilled and uneducated, so they will be impoverished. They will facilitate on welfare heavily for the first few years and bog down the economy, adding to the national debt. Most of them don't speak English, so they will isolate themselves from the rest of America in their mosques and possibly self-radicalize if they don't feel like America has been good to them. Not to mention the refugees have been rioting in the countries that they have entered so far.
Obviously, the biggest con of all is that ISIS militants are hiding amongst the refugees, and are planning to attack once they enter the country. How can anyone filter out the terrorists from the rest? We can't. That's why it is too risky to accept these people.
Seriously, what are the "pros" to accepting these people? |
Rdy to look like a fool?
they never had the chance.
IMagine abnormal clifford born in sandbox where after birth both parents get bombed and now clifford grows up btw with one missing srm due to sharpnel at hospital attack |
Rdy to look like a fool?
they never had the chance.
IMagine abnormal shrooms born in peaceful paris where after terrorists take control of land both parents get bombed and now shrooms grows up btw with one missing srm due to sharpnel at hospital attack
Like I said, can you name another pro for accepting these people besides the fact that we feel sorry for them?
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#1 Stop military influence in the middle east. Russia is doing more than the U.S. to legitimately stop ISIS at this point.
#2 STAY OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST
#3 Stop fucking bombing the shit out the middle east with our drones, they are mostly killing civilians.
#4 Stop allowing Muslims to freely enter the country without extensive background checks. Islam is a KNOWN religion of terrorism, it's up to the individual to decide how much of a believer they are.
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| GannoK wrote: | #1 Stop military influence in the middle east. Russia is doing more than the U.S. to legitimately stop ISIS at this point.
#2 STAY OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST
#3 Stop fucking bombing the shit out the middle east with our drones, they are mostly killing civilians.
#4 Stop allowing Muslims to freely enter the country without extensive background checks. Islam is a KNOWN religion of terrorism, it's up to the individual to decide how much of a believer they are. |
1. Bomb the shit out of the oil fields that ISIS owns. That is their only economic outlet
2. Stop allowing Muslims to freely enter the country without extensive background checks
3. No Syrian refugees. Instead of letting the refugees of war into America, we need to economically aid them to build settlements that are peaceful and lawful in the middle east. We can help them without bringing them here.
4. Once terror groups are out of the middle east, bring our troops home
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SinStar87
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| Clifford wrote: | | Like I said, can you name another pro for accepting these people besides the fact that we feel sorry for them? |
Understanding, perhaps exposure to average US citizens will humanize our people so rather than random aggressor they have a face when they think about US. Worked well with German POWs in WW2 where they went home with stories of the great Americans.
Reciprocity, they'll feel we helped them and will open up cooperation in the future.
Education, as you said they don't have much, education is important for development so they'd have access to it.
Ofcourse with asshats shouting, Keep the Brown people out, this might not work so well.
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