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atom0s Moderator
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:42 am Post subject: |
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Comcast started capping their bandwidth back in 2008 to 250gigs per line. Personally I don't see a problem with it for an average house hold. I've never come close to hitting the limit with 3 people constantly using the line. Granted I (and the rest of the users) don't stream movies every day or at all since we don't use Netflix (or other streaming services) but overall usage has yet to come close to the cap.
The only people I see having any issue with this are those whom are either:
A. Constantly pirating / torrenting.
B. Constantly streaming movies / games from stream services.
Given that AT&T is capping at half of Comcasts, I could see the caps being hit faster with B. I can see a lot of people leaving AT&T because of not being able to do family activities such as movies too if they frequently watch them. It's something AT&T will have to learn first hand if they want to stay competitive. But the average house hold user wont have a clue what 'gig' means or even read the TOS to know they are capped so they wont even know. _________________
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AhMunRa Grandmaster Cheater Supreme
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:38 am Post subject: |
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@Geri, I chalk it up to American greed (read capitalism).
It's actually got alot to do with our infrastructure. Roads here are terrible, public utilities are about the same. All of our infrastructure is falling apart, and due to so many regulations, no one can just upgrade things, so we bandaid it to keep it running. _________________
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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AhMunRa wrote: | @Geri, I chalk it up to American greed (read capitalism).
It's actually got alot to do with our infrastructure. Roads here are terrible, public utilities are about the same. All of our infrastructure is falling apart, and due to so many regulations, no one can just upgrade things, so we bandaid it to keep it running. |
Well I knew that maintenance of the infrastructure is not a high priority, but it is still surprising. Also, I don't see why would it cheap to build a good network in countries with small cities and why is it expensive to build the network in a city which is crawling with people. Of course I understand that building the network to a farm at the middle of nowhere is not beneficial but for a city of skyscrapers where people are literally living like ants, I can hardly believe that the cost for building the network for a household is too high. You just bring in the cable and 100 family has internet already. Then you go 50 meters to the next block and 100 family again. Even if I assume it cost 300 USD / family (which I doubt in this case), their investment will be paid back in 2 years max.
Wiccaan is right in that 250 GB is a good amount but just until you have 2 sisters who are watching TV all day on the internet. It is not piracy, just a free service of the channels. And still it will take up tremendous bandwidth. I myself wouldn't even use up 20 GB or so, but average people who are watching high quality videos all day will use it up in no time. Especially if the connection is fast enough to watch it in the highest quality, because people will obviously watch movies in the best available quality if they can do.
So if they push this online TV/movie stuff (which is popular here), a good connection doesn't hurt. _________________
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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@Geri: Yea using streaming services all day can land up hitting the caps. Which most ISPs are going to have to start understanding is becoming the new media style rather then TV. The internet is slowly replacing almost every type of media and more and more people are starting to use it.
If streaming continues to get popular I can see either that ISPs will start whitelisting certain data from specific hosts (like Netflix and so on) to not count towards your monthly limits or the caps will get raised higher. _________________
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah it would not be a concern if you could count on the companies to raise the caps but they are always resisting until they can. Of course they don't want to give more than what is absolutely neccessary. If they would double them in every year or so, it wouldn't be a problem, but (at least here) this is not usual. Once the cap is set, it will remain that way for years, that's why I never use capped provider, even if they promise cheaper prices and even if their current cap would be enough for the family. _________________
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AhMunRa Grandmaster Cheater Supreme
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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@Geri, keep in mind you are talking about a city that when the iPhone came out AT&T cell network in that city couldn't handle the network load.
Old article here, but still they knew this was coming out.
http://consumerist.com/2009/12/att-customer-service-new-york-city-is-not-ready-for-the-iphone.html
My wife is a member of some Korean web site that offers Korean tv as a stream service, with my gaming, and I used to run a streaming audio server, and my torrenting I'd hit that cap in no time.
Hell if my computer died today, and I reinstalled all my steam content from online, I'd hit the cap. _________________
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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AhMunRa wrote: | @Geri, keep in mind you are talking about a city that when the iPhone came out AT&T cell network in that city couldn't handle the network load.
Old article here, but still they knew this was coming out.
http://consumerist.com/2009/12/att-customer-service-new-york-city-is-not-ready-for-the-iphone.html
My wife is a member of some Korean web site that offers Korean tv as a stream service, with my gaming, and I used to run a streaming audio server, and my torrenting I'd hit that cap in no time.
Hell if my computer died today, and I reinstalled all my steam content from online, I'd hit the cap. |
That was hilarious. I don't use iPhone and I live far away so this story was new for me.
It seems like they are definitely not ready for the new multimedia trends. _________________
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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At the rate I'm going I would have hit the Comcast cap in 2 days just from uploading alone. |
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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slovach wrote: | At the rate I'm going I would have hit the Comcast cap in 2 days just from uploading alone. |
Is that legit traffic though? Or you just torrenting a bunch of crap lol? _________________
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:53 am Post subject: |
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I envy US citizens, here in Canada internet services, and even cellphone services are overpriced.
To get full 15mbps speed you're looking at $50~70 dollars
And on average you get around 60-95gb of bandwidth.
At the moment I have 10mbps down and 1mbps up with a 95gb cap per month, and I pay $59.99
Each gig extra over usage costs us $1.25
And we ALWAYS end up exceeding our bandwidth, our highest bill so far went over to $200 for just internet usage. |
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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I have AT&T.. But some google searches are saying something about it happening in Reno?
Iono, but if it does I guess I'll start monitoring my usage.. and if I constantly exceed then I'll probably leave..
Shouldn't be much of a problem though, cuz I don't think I'll hit that cap |
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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ipivb wrote: | Comcast is worse though. If you go over the 250GB limit too many times, they cancel your service and you'll have to sign up for business class. If you download at maximum speed for any length of time, your speed gets throttled. At least AT&T will just charge you more and not cancel your service.
Honestly, there's few reasons to use so much bandwidth. Even if you consider pirating movies to be a "legitimate reason", it's unfathomable to need so much content. To hit 250GB a month, you would have to watch about 3-5 HD movies per day.
So they probably don't have much of a choice. About 8 TB of data is transferred on the internet every second. Seven years ago, it was only 400 GB per second.
Internet usage is growing incredibly fast, seemingly with no end in sight
Obviously HD movies and huge PC games are taking a good percentage of bandwidth.
But Netflix accounts for over 20% of peak traffic. Even youtube is negligible compared to this. | 8TB? I feel like it should be a ton more than that.
To be honest, I have Comcast, and my experience with them isn't so bad. Back at my old house, the service was great. Where I live now, can't really say the same (often goes down and takes a while to get a guy to come around), but that's simply a result of me living in a small, secluded subdivision. Same case with everything in this neighborhood, even electricity (you look at our electric line which hooks up 20 homes and you look at the next one that hooks up 600, it's obvious where they're gonna send people to first whenever we have a bad storm). _________________
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