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XaLeX · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:12 am Post subject: C#? or C flat? ._.

I mean, looks like an idiot language to me... basically it's c++ with all the stuff that made it cool (they say unstable) ripped off.

.. think about it:

and finally, the one that shocked me most.. null.
NULL! COME ON! they took null away and implemented a whole friggin interface and stuff to use it. THIS IS MADNESS.
it's like adding an intermediate object before sending output to cout. "the user might not have a display, we'd better implement a huge class to check it first."

plus they added properties. ok, they're cool, but do we really need them? programmers are the laziest people around, we know, but is it so hard to write

Flyte · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:45 am Post subject:

My opinion is that you're an idiot. You do not need pointers in order to program. C# brings type safety, code security, a focused object oriented design, a better library (.NET), and countless other benefits.

C# is not the same as C++. They are not used for the same things. They should not be compared.

XaLeX · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:56 am Post subject:

Have you tried using windows.h functions in c#? that's what drove me crazy.
They're written to be used in C++, and in C# the compatibility is like, zero.
I spent a day correcting stupid errors and i had to get around functions that had a pointer parameter with fixed(..) and stuff. This is not compatibility >_<

hcavolsdsadgadsg · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:12 am Post subject:

The Win32 API is C, not C++... and there's usually a managed equivalent to whatever you're trying to do. When there isn't, pinvoke.net is lovely.

and I wouldn't be writting get / setters for something so trivial as that. :\

tombana · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:12 am Post subject:

XaLeX · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:40 am Post subject:

set the winapi aside (it was just an example)
i think that a professional programmer knows what he's doing, and a language that warns you for everything would waste his time.. as i said i'm working on a little project and wasted something like 20 hours only to search error codes >_>

hcavolsdsadgadsg · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:59 am Post subject:

what you think is silly

XaLeX · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:08 am Post subject:

hmm ok ._. i thought there would have been some sort of serious conversation.. nevermind.

Burningmace · Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:09 am Post subject:

You seem to have a very misguided and negative view of C# as a language, and are backing it up with rather redundant arguments. Pointers are not necessary since everything is held within its own manages object wrapper. If you ever need to get a real unsafe pointer to an object, you still can (see Marshal and other Reflection/PInvoke stuff). The Win32 APIs are still perfectly accessible through PInvoke and you usually don't have to put any work in to use them (passing structs is an exception but they're still not that difficult or cumbersome) so I can't see why that invalidates it either, especially considering that a very large proportion of the API is conveniently available via the framework.

You are ignoring the fact that C# is not a down-and-dirty language like C is, rather it is a RAD OO language designed to make the development of programs quick, easy and painless.

If you are getting warnings, it is because you are writing bad code. It's understandable too, since you're obviously new to the language. Remember back to when you were learning C, how many errors and warnings did you get back then when learning the ropes? When I migrated from VB6 to VB.NET, it took several months to get to grips with the new language constructs and classes. Don't take your frustration out on the language just because it's an easy target, stick with it and learn precisely what it does best and how to utilise it to its full potential.

atom0s · Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:09 am Post subject:

XaLeX · Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:30 pm Post subject:

Flyte · Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject:

Then you may wish to try an esoteric language (aka a 'write only' language). The most famous of them being: Brainfuck, Malbolge, and Perl.

XaLeX · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:33 pm Post subject:

yeah, I already tried brainfuck (and liked it very much =D) but it isn't so practical.. xD
about perl, i love the fact that you can summarize.. like.. 10 c++ lines in only one statement D:
and malbolge.. will keep me busy for the next week Very Happy

Slugsnack · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:22 pm Post subject:

If you love short one-liners.. go learn K or Q. K especially, is damn badass.

bhpianist · Cheater Reputation: 1 Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 38

Holy shit, I just read up on Brainfuck. Do people actually code in it?