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I play a lot of counter strike as you can see by my signature.
And I got tired of my fps which is around 40-90..
Now I'm going to upgrade my PC..
If anyone has any experience of the GeForce 9k series, please post here..
Here's my (crappy) PC:
AMD Athlon64 3800+
MSI K8 nForce4 Ultra
3Gb DDR @ 800Mhz
GeForce EN6600 Silent
And I was thinking of upgrading to:
AMD Phenom X4 9750
MSI K9A2 Neo-F
4Gb DDR2 Kingston HyperX @ 1066Mhz (uber speed  )
GeForce 9600GT (Nvidia claims a 50% performance boost to 8800GT)
All this for around 400 EUR (around 630 USD)
I don't know about you guys, but I think this is quite cheap
for a "nearly-state-of-the-art" PC
And to top it off... Microsoft Reclusa keyboard 
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrading PC |
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| tofuli wrote: | | GeForce 9600GT (Nvidia claims a 50% performance boost to 8800GT) |
No.
The 8800GT would be better.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Okay nice build....
But MANY MANY MANY bench marks have been proven that the 8800GT is slightly better than the 96600GT...
A little something to chew on, the 7900GT was/still is better than the 8600GT... See a pattern? The first number, 7 in 7900GT, tells the series, but no necessaries if it is better (unless being compared to say, the 9 series). The second number 9, usually means if it the best or worst of its series...
So yah...
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You might want to go Intel. The Q6600 is faster, and has more overclocking headroom. Also, the 8800GT > 9600GT. I really doubt that the gaming keyboard would be well spent money. You could easily add that and the graphics card budget and get enough money to get a 4850 or a 9800GTX.
I totaled around $400-$500 USD. Well, I guess that's a penalty by buying outside of the US.
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The human eye averages around 25 frames per second, and you're tired of 40 at minimum?
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That keyboard sux balls.
I recomed the MERC Board, ZBoard is the company that makes it.
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| Madman wrote: | | The human eye averages around 25 frames per second, and you're tired of 40 at minimum? |
Umm..
The human eye can not see the different frames if the framerate (fps) is more than 25..
More fps -> smoother gameplay.
I'm guessing you haven't played any first person shooters...
And to the guy who said 8800GT is better than 9600GT..
I'd rather trust the manufacturer.
As I said Nvidia (the manufacturer) claims up to a 50% performance boost to 8800GT.
Of course it depends on the overall "setup" of your PC.
So we can all just guess what the 50% performance boost means..
And then to the guy who said "go Intel"
No. Only reason why I'm still sticking on to AMD is their memory controller, which is on the CPU. I'm not going to explain very deeply what that means.. Shortly: Shorter way from RAM to CPU -> more speed.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Upgrading PC |
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| tofuli wrote: | I play a lot of counter strike as you can see by my signature.
And I got tired of my fps which is around 40-90..
Now I'm going to upgrade my PC..
If anyone has any experience of the GeForce 9k series, please post here..
Here's my (crappy) PC:
AMD Athlon64 3800+
MSI K8 nForce4 Ultra
3Gb DDR @ 800Mhz
GeForce EN6600 Silent
And I was thinking of upgrading to:
AMD Phenom X4 9750
MSI K9A2 Neo-F
4Gb DDR2 Kingston HyperX @ 1066Mhz (uber speed )
GeForce 9600GT (Nvidia claims a 50% performance boost to 8800GT)
All this for around 400 EUR (around 630 USD)
I don't know about you guys, but I think this is quite cheap
for a "nearly-state-of-the-art" PC
And to top it off... Microsoft Reclusa keyboard |
Instead, I'd say you should go for
Gigabyte p35-ds3r / p35-ds4
Intel core 2 duo q9300 / q6600, depending on if you can afford or not
2gb ddr2 xmas2 corsair 1066MHz (q6600/q9300=9x multiplier(if I recall right? if it's 11x you can go for 800MHz memories, 400x9=3600, 533x9=4797= 1066MHz if you're going to overclock. :])
geforce 8800gt, - the 50% performance boost is a lie
| Madman wrote: | | The human eye averages around 25 frames per second, and you're tired of 40 at minimum? |
I thought it was 72 
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And then to the guy who said "go Intel"
No. Only reason why I'm still sticking on to AMD is their memory controller, which is on the CPU. I'm not going to explain very deeply what that means.. Shortly: Shorter way from RAM to CPU -> more speed. |
Wrong! Intel IS better, both in overclocking and in temperatures. AMD may be better than Intel in SOME(notice: only some) CPU's, but an overclocked intel(which isn't harmful at all if you have an average CPU-cooler) is way better than an AMD.
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| tofuli wrote: | | Madman wrote: | | The human eye averages around 25 frames per second, and you're tired of 40 at minimum? |
Umm..
The human eye can not see the different frames if the framerate (fps) is more than 25..
More fps -> smoother gameplay.
I'm guessing you haven't played any first person shooters...
And to the guy who said 8800GT is better than 9600GT..
I'd rather trust the manufacturer.
As I said Nvidia (the manufacturer) claims up to a 50% performance boost to 8800GT.
Of course it depends on the overall "setup" of your PC.
So we can all just guess what the 50% performance boost means..
And then to the guy who said "go Intel"
No. Only reason why I'm still sticking on to AMD is their memory controller, which is on the CPU. I'm not going to explain very deeply what that means.. Shortly: Shorter way from RAM to CPU -> more speed. |
You're getting your facts wrong. The 9600GT is double the speed of the 8600GT, what it was meant to replace. The reason it is cheaper than the 8800GT in most cases is because it is slower than it.
Crysis performance using the 8800GT and the 9600GT
Even with the memory controller and the TLB bug fixed, the Phenoms still end up slower than the Q6600. The onboard memory controller is so it doesn't need to go through the northbridge, hence, no FSB.
Supreme Commander, Crysis performance with the AMD Phenom X4 9750, 9850 and the Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, Q9300
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| tofuli wrote: | | Madman wrote: | | The human eye averages around 25 frames per second, and you're tired of 40 at minimum? |
Umm..
The human eye can not see the different frames if the framerate (fps) is more than 25..
More fps -> smoother gameplay.
I'm guessing you haven't played any first person shooters...
And to the guy who said 8800GT is better than 9600GT..
I'd rather trust the manufacturer.
As I said Nvidia (the manufacturer) claims up to a 50% performance boost to 8800GT.
Of course it depends on the overall "setup" of your PC.
So we can all just guess what the 50% performance boost means..
And then to the guy who said "go Intel"
No. Only reason why I'm still sticking on to AMD is their memory controller, which is on the CPU. I'm not going to explain very deeply what that means.. Shortly: Shorter way from RAM to CPU -> more speed. |
Thankfully you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
1. The human eye can see FPS well into the hundreds in a well lit enviroment, while being much lower in the dark.
TV and movies appear smooth at 30fps because there is motion blur. Guess what games can't do? For animation, it depends on the person, somewhat, as to what is considered smooth, hence why some people can notice a CRT's flicker even at seemingly 'high' refresh rates.
25 fps is a fucking slideshow compared. Here's a perfect example.
http://dykebeard.drinkhound.com/porn/fps.avi
2. The 9600 is a budget card, nvidia never said anything like that. Go look at a benchmark so you can feel like an idiot. http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ2Niw1LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
3. Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Sure AMD has the memory controller on the die, that's one of the reasons the AMD 64 series did so well... until Intel's Core lineup.
Oh hey Intel is beating AMD at a far lower clockspeed, and guess what? They overclock fucking amazingly compared. My 4400+x2 can't even make it past 2.8 (from 2.2), heat's not even a factor, I can't get the chip to go any higher. Meanwhile quad core intels are getting overclocks of 1ghz on air.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/12091/2
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OK, wait a second... Your a fucking retard.
Don't lie and say you overclocked 64 X2.
Because obviously your a complete imbecile.
I can over clock my AMD 64 X2 5000+ Black Edition from 2.6 Ghz to 3.1 Ghz, oh and I don't have to monitor shit.
So Don't talk shit, just eat it like your suppose to.
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| gmusaka wrote: | OK, wait a second... Your a fucking retard.
Don't lie and say you overclocked 64 X2.
Because obviously your a complete imbecile.
I can over clock my AMD 64 X2 5000+ Black Edition from 2.6 Ghz to 3.1 Ghz, oh and I don't have to monitor shit.
So Don't talk shit, just eat it like your suppose to. |
Yeah, ok.
Congrats? You're on another socket, on a revised, 65nm core compared to my 90nm. Are you an idiot?
2.8 is a stretch enough for me, I'm lucky to make it into windows past that.
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Thankfully you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
1. The human eye can see FPS well into the hundreds in a well lit enviroment, while being much lower in the dark.
TV and movies appear smooth at 30fps because there is motion blur. Guess what games can't do? For animation, it depends on the person, somewhat, as to what is considered smooth, hence why some people can notice a CRT's flicker even at seemingly 'high' refresh rates.
25 fps is a fucking slideshow compared. Here's a perfect example.
http://dykebeard.drinkhound.com/porn/fps.avi
2. The 9600 is a budget card, nvidia never said anything like that. Go look at a benchmark so you can feel like an idiot. http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ2Niw1LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
3. Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Sure AMD has the memory controller on the die, that's one of the reasons the AMD 64 series did so well... until Intel's Core lineup.
Oh hey Intel is beating AMD at a far lower clockspeed, and guess what? They overclock fucking amazingly compared. My 4400+x2 can't even make it past 2.8 (from 2.2), heat's not even a factor, I can't get the chip to go any higher. Meanwhile quad core intels are getting overclocks of 1ghz on air.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/12091/2 |
Yeah well.. I never intended to overclock lol.
If I would, I would have chosen the Black Edition phenom.
AND THE FUCKING FPS THING:
I said THE HUMAN EYE cannot see the DIFFERENT FRAMES if framerate is above 25.
Meaning: if the framerate is below 25 we can see all the frames/pictures the movie or whatever is made of.
So you are teh fucken idiot hear? (soz, had to use bad grammar)
Now, please lock this shit thread. Went from upgrading a pc to overclocking a cpu.. lol.
umm.. what? why am I wrong on the number 3. ?
You just repeated what I wrote.. lol
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| gmusaka wrote: | I personally hate, AMD... Go Intel, even if you have to sacrifice stuff.
Intel is where it is, just try to get a core 2 dou.
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What?
I already said I prefer AMD mainly because of HyperTransport.
Mod, please lock this thread, It has gotten WAAAYYY off topic.
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