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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, quad cores aren't necessarily worse than dual cores in terms of gaming. If you had a quad core running at 3GHz and a dual core running at 3GHz, you wouldn't see much of a difference at all. Which core is better for gaming is all about how much balls you have to overclock your processor.

Besides, when more games can support 4+ cores, you'll be sorry you hadn't bought a quad over a duo.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[Psych] wrote:
tofuli, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
Front-side bus hasn't been 'dropped-off', lmao! And all motherboards are going to have a northbridge arrangement.

The old favourite saying of "AMD is better than Intel for gaming" no longer holds true. The Core2 range decimates all when overclocked.


You goddamn idiot.

AMD uses HyperTransport instead, which delivers the data directly to the CPU, instead of going thru northbridge.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude get a life, stop wasting time believing your own press hey?!

The guy wanted info on what would be a better choice, why don't you go play outside with your friends after school....

Zarr, thats getting more and more true, with more apps supporting the features offered by the more recent CPU's.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[Psych] wrote:
Dude get a life, stop wasting time believing your own press hey?!

The guy wanted info on what would be a better choice, why don't you go play outside with your friends after school....

Zarr, thats getting more and more true, with more apps supporting the features offered by the more recent CPU's.


Dude, you should get a life and stop arguing with me.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The AMD64's got the majority of their speed from the fact that the memory controller was on the cpu die.

HyperTransfer or not, you're going to end up going through a bridge along the line either way.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thankyou slovach Wink

And adding on to that, this is why certain/most intel boards could take both DDR & DDR2 RAM because it was down to the board makers to add the support. Whereas AMD with their AM2 CPU's had the memory controller on them, which is why you are limited to DDR2 only. Not a problem really just another thing Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my duel core intel comp is running at 20 degrees Celsius.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This might seem stupid(very stupid) but if dual cores are better for the now, but quad is the future, can I disable 2 core to get a dual or I would just en up with a crappy dualcore?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a good idea to disable cores. I think you'll just lose some "horsepower". Dual cores only have a >5 FPS advantage, but that might be just what's needed to separate playable from unplayable. It's mostly because of things like FSB, cache size (just pointing out; Q6600 has 8MB, more than most dual cores - I think), die size (nanometers), and SSE command lengths. But you can easily make it up by an overclock (Q6600 can hit 3.0GHz on stock voltage).

Nehalem (32nm) should have an integrated memory controller, from the technical images I've seen. That means no Front Side Bus.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

superweapons wrote:
Not a good idea to disable cores. I think you'll just lose some "horsepower". Dual cores only have a >5 FPS advantage, but that might be just what's needed to separate playable from unplayable. It's mostly because of things like FSB, cache size (just pointing out; Q6600 has 8MB, more than most dual cores - I think), die size (nanometers), and SSE command lengths. But you can easily make it up by an overclock (Q6600 can hit 3.0GHz on stock voltage).

Nehalem (32nm) should have an integrated memory controller, from the technical images I've seen. That means no Front Side Bus.


I don't really want to overclock it, mostly because I don't know how but also because I don't want to take any risk due to my limited budget (new car & wakeboard in a month >.>)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

superweapons wrote:
Not a good idea to disable cores. I think you'll just lose some "horsepower". Dual cores only have a >5 FPS advantage, but that might be just what's needed to separate playable from unplayable. It's mostly because of things like FSB, cache size (just pointing out; Q6600 has 8MB, more than most dual cores - I think), die size (nanometers), and SSE command lengths. But you can easily make it up by an overclock (Q6600 can hit 3.0GHz on stock voltage).

Nehalem (32nm) should have an integrated memory controller, from the technical images I've seen. That means no Front Side Bus.


Dual core can flat out DOUBLE your fps depending on the situation, with quads QUADRUPLING it. It depends what you're doing.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I meant in games that only support two cores. If you are doing video editing, and multi threading is supported, then you'll see a big increase in performance because of the extra cores that are supported/used.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, you can have gains like that in games. There almost was a flat out doubling of FPS in most cases when the Doom3 engine got support for it.

Also, I'd like to introduce you to ray tracing, which may or may not be the future of games.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

slovach wrote:

HyperTransfer or not, you're going to end up going through a bridge along the line either way.


Well..

Finally someone who understands this.

Here's the AMD HyperTransport


As you can see the data travels directly to the CPU from the RAM.


And here's Intel FSB (Front Side Bus)



On FSB, the data goes from RAM to Northbridge, and then to CPU..
This is slower.

And no, it doesn't go through a bridge on HyperTransport..
on Intel motherboards the memory controller is in the northbridge, on AMD it is on the CPU.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tofuli wrote:
<in reply to your last post; edited out to save space>


Just because data has to travel through the northbridge doesn't automatically make Intel CPUs so much slower than AMD CPUs. In fact, with the next series of processors to be released by Intel, Intel is dropping the FSB entirely.

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