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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:27 am    Post subject: talix you know anything about Bahá'í Reply with quote

give me crash course (few sentences what you know it to be) + quintessential readings
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

most of their documents arent even translated because then the followers would know how nuts the religion is. it was composed by a false prophet, a dajjal, who made tons of bogus claims and prophecies that failed.

and in order to understand more about this cult and why it is false, you'll have to spend time studying islam. just read the qur'an, it's short and sweet

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Siyyid Mírzá `Alí-Muhammad, who took the title of the 'Bab', claimed himself to be the Imam Mahdi.

On the other hand Baha'ullah's eschatological claims constitute six distinctive messianic identifications: from Judaism, the incarnation of the "Everlasting Father" from the Yuletide propechy of Isaiah 9:6, the "Lord of Hosts"; from Christianity, the "Spirit of Truth" or Comforter predicted by Jesus in his farewell discourse of John 14-17 and the return of Christ "in the glory of the Father"; from Zoroastrianism, the return of Shah Bahram Varjavand, a Zoroastrian messiah predicted in various late Pahlavi texts; from Shi'a Islam the return of the Third Imam, Imam Husayn; from Sunni Islam, the return of Jesus, Isa; and from Bábism, He whom God shall make manifest.

They are like any other infidel. They have gone beyond biddah, and out of the pale of islam and this is the consenses of the scholars.

The Baha'is believe in the religion brought by Baha'uddin, who was banished from Iran for religious ideas. He claimed that he was the 'Father Himself' and that the Day of Judgement was his coming.

Basic beliefs
We now move forward to the Bahai beliefs. The basic beliefs of the Bahai faith are that all the religions be they Islam, Christianity, Hinduism or even the barbaric tribes of Africa, all of them are from the same divine source. Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Solomon, David, Muhammed ( PBUT ), Krishna, Buddha, etc. were all Prophets, the latest in the line being Baha'ullah. When they are asked to explain the presence of contradictions between various faiths, they simply state that contradictions are due to misinterpretations of various texts. They claim that the religions of all the Prophets were the same ( submission to one God ) the only differences were in the laws governing daily life. Hence the law of Baha'ullah also has various differences when compared to Muhammed ( PBUH ). But the biggest difference comes from their denial of Muhammed ( PBUH ) as the last Prophet.
Detailed discussion of each & every Bahai claim is available on pg 5 The Acid test.

Baha'ullah's claims
During his life time, Baha'ullah made numerous claims. Here is a list of claims he made about himself.

1. The Bahai faith claims that the coming of the Bab & Baha'ullah heralded the Judgement day, spoken of in the Qur'an & the ` coming of the lord'. As the christians claim that Jesus Christ ( PBUH ) was the son of God, Baha'ullah actually claimed that he was the was the father himself who had come! ( god forbid ). In the proclamation of Baha'ullah pg 27 ( & also 84, 85, 93 ), he clearly writes about himself - "He, verily, is come with His Kingdom, and all the atoms cry aloud: `Lo! The Lord is come in His great majesty!' He Who is the Father is come".
In the kitab Al Aqdas, the muslims are told that `the merciful god has come with clear arguments'. It is also stated that he was the `nabi-e-azeem' meaning great news. He even attributed the resurrection day mentioned in the Qur'an to mean his appearance.

2. Though the Bab had very clearly stated that Mirza Yahya was his successor. The Bab also predicted Yahya's appearance in the Bayan ( the Babi holy book ) in chapter 17 stating the phrase `Man Yazharahullaho' ( the one whom god will manifest ). But strangely Baha'ullah claimed the title for himself.

3. He claimed that he was the Christ incarnate which the Christian & the Islamic scriptures are supposed to have prophesied.

4. He claimed that he was Imam Mahdi as stated by Prophet Muhammed ( PBUH ).

Note that the Bab also made the very same claims.

5. He claimed that he was the reincarnation of Buddha talked of in the Buddhist scriptures.

6 He claimed that he was the next avatar of Krishna.

7. He claimed that he was the nuqta or the converging point of all the previous Prophets.

This is not all. His followers & companions also made numerous claims.


1. Mulla Hussain Bushrui, the first person to accept the Bab called himself 'Bab-ul-Bab' (Gate of the Gate).

Before continuing, it would be appropriate to discuss here the meaning of 'Raj'at'. This word means to return, and in Islamic terms, it means that a group of persons of all times who were extremely oppressed, or were extremely evil oppressors, would come back to life before the Day of Judgement, and the oppressed one would have an opportunity to seek his revenge from the oppressor. This concept is found not only in Quran, but also in Islamic traditions.

2. Haji Mohammed Ali claimed to be the Raj'at of Holy Prophet (PBUH).

3. Qurratul Ayn, Tahera Qazvini claimed to be the Raj'at of Janabe Fatematuz Zahra (PBUH). (Reference: Nuqtatul Qaaf by Mirza Jani, Page 14)

4. Bushrui claimed to be the Raj'at of Hussain (PBUH), the grandson of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) (Nuqtatul Qaaf, Page 253)

5. Seven years after the claim of Bab, Baseer claimed to be the Raj'at of Hasan (PBUH), the grandson of the Holy Prophet (PBUH).

Baabism and Baha’ism are a movement that originated from a Shi’ah sect called the Shaykhiyyah in 1260 AH/ 1844 CE, under the protection of Russian, Jewish and English colonialism, with the aim of corrupting Islamic belief and dividing the Muslims and diverting them from their basic aims.

Origins and leading figures:

1 –Baabism was founded by al-Mirza ‘Ali Muhammad Rida al-Shiraazi who learned Shi’ah and Sufi knowledge from childhood. In 1260 AH/1844 CE al-Shiraazi announced that he was the door (al-baab) which led to divine truth. He was encouraged in that by one of the Russian spies.

Then after that he claimed to be a messenger like Moosa, ‘Eesa and Muhammad (blessings and peace be upon them all), and he even claimed to be better than them.

In 1266 AH he claimed that the divine was incarnated in him, and he was sentenced to death.

2 – Qurrat al-‘Ayn. She was a very eloquent woman who joined al-Shiraazi in learning the Shaykhi branch of Shi’i knowledge. She was permissive and immoral, and her husband divorced her and her children disowned her.

She held a conference with the Baabi leaders in Dasht, Iran, in which she announced the annulment of Islamic sharee’ah. She was executed in 1268 AH/1852 CE.

Baha’ism

Before al-Shiraazi was killed, he appointed al-Mirza Yahya ‘Ali, who was known as Sabh Azl, as his successor, but this was contested by his brother Husayn al-Baha’. After conflicts between them in which each of them tried to kill the other, Sabh Azl was expelled to Cyprus, where he died in 1912 CE.

Husayn al-Baha’ was expelled to ‘Akka (Acre) in Palestine, where he was killed by some of his brother’s followers in 1892 CE and was buried there.

Beliefs, ideas and rituals of the Baha’is:

1 – Belief that Allaah is incarnated in some of His creation, and that Allaah was incarnated in al-Baab and al-Baha’.

2 – Belief in the transmigration of souls, and that reward and punishment happen to the soul only.

3 – Belief that all religions are valid, and that the Torah and Gospel have not been altered. They believe that all religion must be united in one, which is Baha’ism.

4 – The Baha’is believe that the book al-Aqdas which was written by al-Baha’ Husayn abrogates all the divinely revealed books, including the Holy Qur’aan.

5 – They believe that Buddha, Confucius, Brahman, Zaradasht and other sages of India, China and Persia were Prophets.

6 – They believe – like the Jews and the Christians – that the Messiah was crucified.

7 – They do not believe in the miracles of the Prophets or in the angels and jinn, and they do not believe in Paradise and Hell.

8 – They forbid their women to wear hijab, and they regard mut’ah (temporary marriage) as permissible, and they promote the sharing of women and wealth. It is very clear that this is a religion that strives to destroy moral values and spread permissiveness and immorality.

9 – They say that the religion of the Baab abrogates the sharee’ah of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

10 – They interpret the Day of Resurrection as referring to the appearance of al-Baha’. Their direction of prayer is the Bahjah in ‘Akka in Palestine, where the grave of al-Baha’ is located, instead of al-Masjid al-Haraam.

11 – They pray three times a day, and each prayer has three rak’ahs, morning, noon and evening. They do wudoo’ with rose water, and if there is none available they regard it as sufficient to say the Basmalah (Bismillaah il-At-har il-At-har – in the name of Allaah, the Most Pure, the Most Pure) five times.

12 – They do not regard it as permissible to pray in congregation except when offering the funeral prayer for the deceased. This makes clear the extent of their efforts to divide the Muslims, as they forbid prayer in congregation.

13 – The Baha’is regard the number nineteen as sacred, and they have nineteen months in their year, each month having nineteen days.

14 – The Baha’is fast during one of the Baha’i months, which is called al-‘Ala, which lasts from 2-21 March. This is the last of the Baha’i months. During this month they refrain from eating from sunrise until sunset. Their fasting month is followed by the festival of Nawrooz (Persian New Year).

15 – The Baha’is regard jihad and the carrying of weapons and waging war against kaafir enemies as haraam, in service to the interests of the colonialists, as we shall see below.

This confirms what is said about them, that they are a movement that was created by the colonialists, and they are still supporting it up till now.

16 – They do not believe that Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was the final Prophet; they claim that the Revelation continued after his death.

17 – They regard pilgrimage to Makkah as invalid, so they go on pilgrimage to the place where al-Baha’ is buried in Akka, in Palestine.

18 – They do not believe in doing ghusl from janaabah or purification from impure things, because they believe that whoever believes in Baha’ism is pure.

19 – Instead of zakaah they have a kind of tax at a rate of 19% of one’s capital, to be paid once.

These are the Baha’is, and these are some of their beliefs, a mixture of some monotheistic beliefs and idolatrous ideas which al-Baha’ mixed in a strange way and called it revelation and a holy book. What is wrong with the minds of those who followed him?

The relationship of Baabism and Baha’ism to the colonialists, Jews and Christians

1 – It was a Russian spy who encouraged al-Shiraazi to claim that he was the Baab.

2 – al-Baha’ took part in the attempt to assassinate King Naasir al-Deen, the Shah of Iran, but the attempt failed and the plotters were discovered. Al-Baha’ fled to the Russian embassy which granted him full protection, and did not hand him over to the Iranian authorities until they had been given a promise that he would not be executed.

3 – When al-Baha’ fled to ‘Akka in 1285 AH/1868 CE, he was warmly welcomed by the Jews who took care of him. From that date, ‘Akka became a centre of Baha’ism and became a holy place for them.

4 – They were supported by some of the Christians. In one of the Arab states where there is a Baha’i presence, there is the head of the movement and his lawyer, who are both Christians.

5 – Reports indicate that the Israeli ambassador in one of the Arab countries visited one of their strongholds and met their leaders, and urged them to join in some political activities by forming a group or party and putting up candidates for parliament and getting involved in other political activities so as to affect the decision making process. They also promised to make it easy for them to visit Israel and perform pilgrimage to the grave of al-Baha’.

6 – This group has a number of representatives in the offices and organizations belonging to the United Nations, where there are nearly seven people.

After learning all this, you should not be surprised to find out that the Baha’is regard jihad against the enemy as haraam, and they say that the Muslims must submit to colonialism and occupation, and that in his books al-Baha’ supported the Zionist migration to Palestine.

Spread and influence of Baha’is,

The greatest number of Baha’is are found in Iran, and there are a few in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine. They also have a presence in Egypt and a few followers in Ethiopia, Uganda, South Africa and Pakistan. They also have a presence in some western countries and cities, such as London, Vienna, Frankfurt and Sydney. Their largest place of worship is in Chicago.

The ruling on them and the scholars’ fatwas concerning them

From the above, it is clear that Baabism and Baha’ism are among the misguided sects that are beyond the pale of Islam.

A number of fatwas have been issued by Muslim scholars stating that they are kaafirs and that they are beyond the pale of Islam, and that we must beware of them.

Shaykh Saleem al-Bashri, the Shaykh of al-Azhar, issued a fatwa in 1910 CE stating that the Baha’is are kaafirs.

A ruling was issued on 30/6/1946 CE by the Shar’i courts in Egypt stating that a woman whose husband embraces Baha’ism is divorced and must be separated from him because he is an apostate from Islam.

In 1947 CE the Fatwa Committee in al-Azhar issued a fatwa stating that the one who embraces Baha’ism is an apostate.

This was in addition to a fatwa issued in 1939 CE by the Egyptian Daar al-Ifta’ stating that the Baha’i is an apostate.

There is another fatwa issued by the Egyptian Daar al-Ifta’ in 1968 CE, in which it says: Whoever embraces the Baha’i religion is an apostate from the religion of Islam, and the ruling on the apostate in Islam is that he should be asked to repent and Islam should be presented to him, and his doubts should be discussed if he has any. If he repents, all well and good, otherwise he should be executed according to sharee’ah. End quote from Fataawa Daar al-Ifta’ (6/2138).

In 2003 CE, the Islamic Research Council in al-Azhar issued a fatwa in which it says: The Baha’i school of thought and its ilk are a lethal intellectual epidemic which the state must to its utmost to eradicate.

Shaykh Ibraaheem al-Fayyoomi, the head of the Islamic Research Committee, confirmed that the Baha’is are a sect that is beyond the pale of Islam and that has rebelled against Islam, and it is one of the most dangerous forces that are opposed to Islam. It developed under the care of the Zionist colonialists and is still supported by the enemies of Islam. The Baha’is have a project called “the political project against the Muslim ummah.” Their primary aim is to strike against Islam and create political and spiritual instability in Muslim societies. They also reject many verses of the Qur’aan because they believe that the Muslims have distorted them. They also reject Hajj and want to destroy the Ka’bah and distribute its rubble throughout the world.

The former Shaykh of al-Azhar, Jaad al-Haqq (may Allaah have mercy on him) issued a fatwa stating that the Baha’is are kaafirs and apostates from Islam, which was approved by the Islamic Research Committee. In it he said: Baabism or Baha’ism is a system of thought mixed with philosophy and various religions, and there is nothing new in it that the Muslim ummah needs to set its affairs straight and unite it, rather it is clear that it (Baha’ism) is working in the interests of the Zionists and colonialists, and it is akin to ideas and ways that have been inflicted on the Muslim ummah as an act of war against Islam in the name of religion. End quote. [/quote]

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks bro. knew there was some crazy shit behind this just from looking at their wiki and some shit about it on youtube.

those lists are good, the cult faq site seems really good too ill read more from there. theres tons of connections to shit on that faq site.

i think it is exceptionally crazy to believe in a person who takes an already established religion and tries to offshoot it and claim themselves as holy.


just had a side thought thinking about this shit. what if places in europe are letting immigrants and refugees in just to turn the population against them and eventually then get rid of/kill the refugees & immigrants and go to war.

the typical conspiracy right now is that whatever "illuminati" is trying to destroy the white race by letting the refugees and immigrants in. I don't see the end game in this, and why would these elites spend so much time controlling and manipulating their own people just to destroy them for refugees of a different culture. it makes more sense to turn their own people against a common threat (nazi germany /w jews) which they can force to happen by letting refugees come into a country where they have very no plans for the people.

we're already seeing in places like poland ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/11/13/how-poland-became-a-breeding-ground-for-europes-far-right/ ) that the people aren't going to stand for this shit and are turning against refugees and the government. clearly this would happen, there is no surprise. other countries must be letting these people in for a reason.

just looking at some quote like this "The Law and Justice party has long expressed skepticism or outright hatred for the E.U. as an organization that acts hierarchically above nation states. Like other European right-wing parties, which view the E.U. as a liberal invention designed to weaken nation states and national pride, it has criticized the E.U. as seeking to rob national parliaments of sovereignty." you can smell the conspiracy.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brolock wrote:
thanks bro. knew there was some crazy shit behind this just from looking at their wiki and some shit about it on youtube.

those lists are good, the cult faq site seems really good too ill read more from there. theres tons of connections to shit on that faq site.

i think it is exceptionally crazy to believe in a person who takes an already established religion and tries to offshoot it and claim themselves as holy.


just had a side thought thinking about this shit. what if places in europe are letting immigrants and refugees in just to turn the population against them and eventually then get rid of/kill the refugees & immigrants and go to war.

the typical conspiracy right now is that whatever "illuminati" is trying to destroy the white race by letting the refugees and immigrants in. I don't see the end game in this, and why would these elites spend so much time controlling and manipulating their own people just to destroy them for refugees of a different culture. it makes more sense to turn their own people against a common threat (nazi germany /w jews) which they can force to happen by letting refugees come into a country where they have very no plans for the people.

we're already seeing in places like poland ( ) that the people aren't going to stand for this shit and are turning against refugees and the government. clearly this would happen, there is no surprise. other countries must be letting these people in for a reason.

just looking at some quote like this "The Law and Justice party has long expressed skepticism or outright hatred for the E.U. as an organization that acts hierarchically above nation states. Like other European right-wing parties, which view the E.U. as a liberal invention designed to weaken nation states and national pride, it has criticized the E.U. as seeking to rob national parliaments of sovereignty." you can smell the conspiracy.


to really understand the critical errors the religion makes and that the ahmahdiyya and nation of islam movements make, you have to have some education on sharia, the articles of faith in islam, the qur'an and the purpose of its revelation and Muhammad's (peace be upon him) reason/mission for being sent (at least in the eyes of a muslim you must try to see these)

take a look at the farewell sermon. it says all mankind is equal and is anti-racism.
nation of islam believes that white people were created by a scientist and are inherently evil. jews believe that jews are the chosen race of Allah, etc.

it also says that no new faith or apostle will come after Muhammad (peace be upon him) and God revealed during that sermon the ayat (sign/evidence) that on That day, He (God) perfected and chose for us islam as our religion.

in islam we also believe the creator to be separate from the creation. like the argument from first cause, one object acting on another object is separate in this instance; so to believe the creator is part of the creation makes Him limited and a bunch of other logical problems. no prophet in islam ever taught that God was part of the creation. we are either inspired, communicated to via a messenger angel, or via a veil (like the burning bush, the sky) as forms of prophecy, but with the death of Muhammad peace be upon him, all prophecy has ended, all revelation has ended. so no angels will deliver messages (which is the job of Gabriel... mormons claim different angels and a new prophet)

in islam we also believe the Mahdi alayhe salaam and the Messiah alayhe salaam are two separate individuals, although they appear in end times.

nation of islam, mormonism, ahmahdiyya and baha'i are some of the religions that claim new prophets or prophets that are the messiah and possibly a combination of the second coming and something else.

also, in islam, we believe that /all/ innovation in religion comes from satan. there is no changing islam. it is already complete for every scenario and way of life. so we do not await a reformer, because our texts are believed to be preserved and the complete & ultimate guidance with nothing left out, that abrogates prior revelation, and is the final revelation. by default we know these are false religions and any sect is unislamic.



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the info. I really want to get into reading different religious texts more. all the backstory and impact on humanity is obviously great and important regardless of if I believe or not.

"so to believe the creator is part of the creation makes Him limited and a bunch of other logical problems." this is really fair. do you know about Kierkegaard? his stand is basically the opposite of this, that the logical doesn't matter and you need this leap of faith. would you say that in Islam there is no leap of faith, or rather that faith comes from somewhere else?

"also, in islam, we believe that /all/ innovation in religion comes from satan." this is also commendable. I have a problem with christianity and the various translations of the bible as well as christians supplementary texts that conflict with each other.
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Brolock wrote:
thanks for the info. I really want to get into reading different religious texts more. all the backstory and impact on humanity is obviously great and important regardless of if I believe or not.

"so to believe the creator is part of the creation makes Him limited and a bunch of other logical problems." this is really fair. do you know about Kierkegaard? his stand is basically the opposite of this, that the logical doesn't matter and you need this leap of faith. would you say that in Islam there is no leap of faith, or rather that faith comes from somewhere else?

"also, in islam, we believe that /all/ innovation in religion comes from satan." this is also commendable. I have a problem with christianity and the various translations of the bible as well as christians supplementary texts that conflict with each other.


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Brolock wrote:
thanks for the info. I really want to get into reading different religious texts more. all the backstory and impact on humanity is obviously great and important regardless of if I believe or not.

"so to believe the creator is part of the creation makes Him limited and a bunch of other logical problems." this is really fair. do you know about Kierkegaard? his stand is basically the opposite of this, that the logical doesn't matter and you need this leap of faith. would you say that in Islam there is no leap of faith, or rather that faith comes from somewhere else?

"also, in islam, we believe that /all/ innovation in religion comes from satan." this is also commendable. I have a problem with christianity and the various translations of the bible as well as christians supplementary texts that conflict with each other.


A derivative of the word ‘amn’ is ‘amana’ which means honesty and trustworthiness. This word ties in neatly with the definition of faith as trust. From the context of religion, it implies that trusting in the words of God will lead one to find safety and security. This does not necessarily imply that it will keep people away from any harm or loss in their lives. Rather, it is referring to the spiritual safety net we fall back on during times of hardship – the knowledge that we are not alone and God’s wisdom is so much greater than our understanding. In the Quran, God says, “Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light.” (2:257)

To the skeptic, faith may be a restriction or a form of blind trust that gives people the permission not to think critically or rationalize. For them, faith is more like a convenient solution which keeps people from asking uncomfortable questions. Yet, humans are naturally inclined to believe in a higher power, which leads them on a quest for deeper meaning of their existence. As such, Islam encourages people to tap into this natural inclination so that they think and seek to comprehend, as evident from the countless references to “those who reflect” and “people of understanding” in the Quran.

Indeed, inquiring and searching can actually guide one to the concept of ultimate faith in a higher deity through rationalization.

The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said,
"Allah makes the way to Jannah easy for him who treads the path in search of knowledge."

The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said,
"He who goes forth in search of knowledge is considered as struggling in the Cause of Allah until he returns."

The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said,
"He who follows a path in quest of knowledge, Allah will make the path of Jannah easy to him. The angels lower their wings over the seeker of knowledge, being pleased with what he does. The inhabitants of the heavens and the earth and even the fish in the depth of the oceans seek forgiveness for him. The superiority of the learned man over the devout worshipper is like that of the full moon to the rest of the stars (i.e., in brightness). The learned are the heirs of the Prophets who bequeath neither dinar nor dirham but only that of knowledge; and he who acquires it, has in fact acquired an abundant portion."

Prophet Muhammad once said, “Faith is to affirm your faith in God, His angels, His Books, His Messengers and the Last Day, and to believe in the Divine Destiny whether it be good or bad.” Aptly, these are called the “six articles of faith.” Each one is asking us to believe in something we have never seen or experienced before – the very essence of faith itself. The Quran also refers to those people who wish to see something visible or tangible in order to believe. “They say: ‘Why is not an angel sent down to him?’ If We did send down an angel, the matter would be settled at once, and no respite would be granted them.” (Quran 6:8 ) Therefore, the whole point of having faith is to believe in something unseen.

Many things in life require a leap of faith, a decision you take in order to extend your experience or your asset without knowing the resulting impact with certainty. Having faith in the unseen and the unknown spiritually is definitely more challenging; after all, the outcome will be revealed only after we cease to exist in this life.

Faith requires us to build a conceptual bridge from our material existence to an unknown destination and to journey through bravely.

Perhaps this is why the results are expected to be far more rewarding. God has promised the faithful many bounties.

“As for those who fear their Lord unseen, for them is Forgiveness and a great Reward.” (Quran 67:12)

As for the non-Muslims, they may contest the principles of Islam. They must know, however, that Islam does not present its principles dogmatically, for those who believe or wish to believe, exclusively. It does so rationally, critically. It comes to us armed with logical and coherent arguments, and expects our acquiescence on rational, and hence necessary, grounds. It is not legitimate for us to disagree on the relativist basis of personal taste, or that of subjective experience.

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faith is bestowed by the Mercy and Will of Allah alone in Islam, upon whomsoever He wills.

“And say: ‘The truth is from your Lord.’ Then whosoever wills, let him believe; and whosoever wills, let him disbelieve.”
[al-Kahf 18:29]

“There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in taghoot (false gods) and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break.”
[al-Baqarah 2:256]

“Say: ‘With Allah is the perfect proof and argument, (i.e. the Oneness of Allah, the sending of His Messengers and His Holy Books, to mankind); had He so willed, He would indeed have guided you all.’”
[al-An’am 6:149]

“Verily, proofs have come to you from your Lord, so whosoever sees, will do so for (the good of) his ownself, and whosoever blinds himself, will do so to his own harm, and I (Muhammad) am not a watcher over you.”
[al-An’am 6:104]

“Verily, this (Verses of the Quran) is an admonition, so whosoever wills, let him take a Path to his Lord (Allah).”
[al-Insan 76:29]

Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the [only] guidance; and we have been commanded to submit to the Lord of the worlds.
[al-An'am 6:71]

And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided.
[Surah al-Baqarah 2:186]

And whoever believes in Allah - He will guide his heart. And Allah is Knowing of all things.
[At-Taghabun 64:11]


so ultimately, we derive our faith by submitting to Allah and believing in what He has sent down by rationally verifying and authenticating His ayaat in the Qur'an. Ayat means sign. so there are clear evidences and arguments and signs in the qur'an for the believer and unbeliever. we pray to Allah 17 times a day for guidance, asking Him to guide us to His Straight Way. reading the bible i wasn't convinced of God or Jesus. reading the Qur'an i found a familiar voice and an unshakable, heavy truth.

if you sincerely ask God for guidance and place your trust in Him, He will fill your heart with faith and preserve it; He promises to guide you.
The more thankful you are, the more He will bestow upon you.
And one of His favours is the Clear Book with Clear Signs, Clear Arguments, and Clear Evidences, that is authored by the Almighty; the Qur'an where-in there is no doubt a proof and admonition from your Lord.

my faith came about through accepting the truth presented in the qur'an. the more i learned and the knowledge i gained of islam and the qur'an, the more my faith grew and built. it's not permissible to blindly believe something; you have to accept something through clearly reasoning and logical analysis. the qur'an invites you to do so, and welcomes you to accept it or deny it; God neither gains nor loses from it.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brolock wrote:
thanks bro. knew there was some crazy shit behind this just from looking at their wiki and some shit about it on youtube.

those lists are good, the cult faq site seems really good too ill read more from there. theres tons of connections to shit on that faq site.

i think it is exceptionally crazy to believe in a person who takes an already established religion and tries to offshoot it and claim themselves as holy.


just had a side thought thinking about this shit. what if places in europe are letting immigrants and refugees in just to turn the population against them and eventually then get rid of/kill the refugees & immigrants and go to war.

the typical conspiracy right now is that whatever "illuminati" is trying to destroy the white race by letting the refugees and immigrants in. I don't see the end game in this, and why would these elites spend so much time controlling and manipulating their own people just to destroy them for refugees of a different culture. it makes more sense to turn their own people against a common threat (nazi germany /w jews) which they can force to happen by letting refugees come into a country where they have very no plans for the people.

we're already seeing in places like poland ( ) that the people aren't going to stand for this shit and are turning against refugees and the government. clearly this would happen, there is no surprise. other countries must be letting these people in for a reason.

just looking at some quote like this "The Law and Justice party has long expressed skepticism or outright hatred for the E.U. as an organization that acts hierarchically above nation states. Like other European right-wing parties, which view the E.U. as a liberal invention designed to weaken nation states and national pride, it has criticized the E.U. as seeking to rob national parliaments of sovereignty." you can smell the conspiracy.


'Umar ibn al Khattab(rA) reported that the messenger of Allah(saws) said: "Troubles will afflict my people in latter days from their rulers. None will escape from them except one who recognises Allah's religion and then fights for it with his tongue, hand and heart, and his reward will already be sure; and one who recognises the religion of Allah and holds on to it; and one who recognises the religion of Allah and keeps quiet about it - if he sees somebody who does good, he loves him, and if he sees somebody who does wrong, he is angry with him, he will be saved for all that he kept secret. "(Baihaqi)

Thauban reported that the messenger of Allah said: "It is near that the nations will call one another against you just as the eaters call one another to their dishes." Somebody asked: "Is this because we will be few in numbers that day?" He said: "Nay, but that day you shall be numerous, but you will be like the foam of the sea, and Allah will take the fear of you away from your enemies and will place weakness into your hearts." Somebody asked: "What is this weakness?" He said: "The love of the world and the dislike of death." (Abu Daud)

Abu Hurairah reported that whilst the prophet, Allah blessed him and granted him peace, was talking, a Bedouin came to him and asked: "When will the hour come to pass?" He replied: "Wait for the hour when trust will be destroyed." He asked, how it would be destroyed, and he said: "Wait for the hour when the rule will be entrusted to those who don't deserve it." (Bukhari)

There are other relevant Hadith

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