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Can you NOT bundle malware and spam shit with the installer

 
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aluminumhaste
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:15 pm    Post subject: Can you NOT bundle malware and spam shit with the installer Reply with quote

If you need money, please ask for donations, don't include sneaky bullshit like in the new installer with a malware shit program and yahoo shit, and it's not even opt in, it's opt out hidden in the description.
Fucking shady motherfucking shit.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read:
http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=604626
http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=606162


aluminumhaste wrote:
If you need money, please ask for donations,

Doesn't work...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Can you NOT bundle malware and spam shit with the instal Reply with quote

aluminumhaste wrote:
If you need money, please ask for donations, don't include sneaky bullshit like in the new installer with a malware shit program and yahoo shit, and it's not even opt in, it's opt out hidden in the description.
Fucking shady motherfucking shit.


Hey don't you dare to insult the devs here! Do you know how much effort it is put into this program? Do you?
If you don't want to support it just don't download it! Or make one yourself!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll gladly donate 50 bucks this Xmas when I get my bonus, I've used this program enough that I feel I should have paid for it at this point.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check my posts here:
http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?p=5732988#5732988
http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?p=5703923#5703923

There are always ways to opt. out if you take the time to read and do it.

As said before countless times, Dark Byte DOES NOT control what is shown in the launcher. It is a wrapper used by installers as a means for devs to get a small kickback for advertisement. The offers are downloaded from the net that are shown to you. DB does not control whats shown. And either way, there is always a way to opt. out.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

atom0s wrote:
Dark Byte DOES NOT control what is shown in the launcher.


I don't control what other people do either, but if I invite dangerous people over to my apartment and they wreck the place, my landlord isn't going to take that as an excuse. Tricking the landlord into saying those people are allowed first also doesn't change anything, the damage would still be my responsibility.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zlyggngx wrote:
atom0s wrote:
Dark Byte DOES NOT control what is shown in the launcher.


I don't control what other people do either, but if I invite dangerous people over to my apartment and they wreck the place, my landlord isn't going to take that as an excuse. Tricking the landlord into saying those people are allowed first also doesn't change anything, the damage would still be my responsibility.

Exactly, its YOUR fault for inviting them in. Dark Byte is the landlord in this scenario.
Those people weren't holding signs saying: [x] Is it okay if I enter?
It was your responsibility to prevent them from entering before clicking Next.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zlyggngx wrote:
I don't control what other people do either, but if I invite dangerous people over to my apartment and they wreck the place, my landlord isn't going to take that as an excuse. Tricking the landlord into saying those people are allowed first also doesn't change anything, the damage would still be my responsibility.

Regardless of whether Dark Byte is the tenant or the landlord, that analogy is a strawman. Ownership of the apartment doesn't correspond with ownership of the computer and/or the software.

You own your computer and are free to do anything to it. Dark Byte owns the software Cheat Engine and is free to do anything to it. If you want to install Cheat Engine, that's your choice, and if Dark Byte wants to put ads in the installer, that's Dark Byte's choice.

As far as I am aware, the provider of the ads guarantees a way to opt out of all offers, and there is nothing to suggest that guarantee is disreputable. As such, Dark Byte has taken due diligence to ensure those ads will not harm any user's computer and should not be held accountable if that guarantee is broken.

Even if someone feels like opt-out ads in the installer is unfair, Dark Byte has provided an easy way to install Cheat Engine manually without any ads. Unfortunately, many people who want this alternative will not find it because that requires the same skills as opting out of the offers: literacy and patience.

The only ambiguity I see is if people should be expected to have such a proficiency in these skills. It would be nice to say "no," but such a Utopian society isn't pragmatic. There's going to be deceit that people will need to deal with in order to survive, and in my opinion, this scenario isn't an egregious infraction on basic human decency.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zlyggngx wrote:
atom0s wrote:
Dark Byte DOES NOT control what is shown in the launcher.


I don't control what other people do either, but if I invite dangerous people over to my apartment and they wreck the place, my landlord isn't going to take that as an excuse. Tricking the landlord into saying those people are allowed first also doesn't change anything, the damage would still be my responsibility.


That is entirely not what is happening here lol.. If you don't want to be bothered with the installer, use the other options available or compile the source yourself.

Bitching about it cause you don't take the time to read things carefully is your own fault, not Dark Bytes.

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